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It's Not You
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Publisher's summary
INSTANT NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER
From clinical psychologist and expert in narcissistic relationships Dr. Ramani Durvasula, a guide to protecting and healing yourself from the daily harms of narcissism
AN OPEN FIELD PUBLICATION FROM MARIA SHRIVER
It’s not always easy to tell when you’re dealing with a narcissist. One day they draw you in with their confidence and charisma, the next they gaslight you, wreck your self-confidence, and leave you wondering, What could I have done differently?
As Dr. Ramani Durvasula reveals in It's Not You, the answer is: absolutely nothing. Just as a tiger can’t change its stripes, a narcissist won’t stop manipulating and invalidating you. To heal in the aftermath of their abuse and protect yourself from future harm, you first have to accept that you are not to blame.
Deeply compassionate and revelatory, It’s Not You examines how narcissists hijack our wellbeing and offers a healing path forward. Drawing on more than 20 years of studying, teaching, and helping clients navigate the landscape of narcissism, Dr. Durvasula unpacks the oft-misunderstood personality, showing how to identify the telltale signs that you may be dealing with a narcissist and protect yourself from their toxic influence. Along the way, you’ll learn how to become gaslight resistant, chip away at the trauma bonds that keep us stuck in these cycles, grieve the losses, create realistic boundaries, learn the fine art of discernment, and recover your sense of self after years of invalidation.
Healing and thriving after or even during a narcissistic relationship can be challenging, but it is possible. It's Not You shows that the first step is to stop trying to change the narcissistic person, stop blaming yourself, and start giving yourself permission to foster your autonomy and sense of self outside of this relationship.
Critic reviews
“A must read. Dr. Ramani will teach you how to heal from any toxic relationship. With her expert advice based on decades of research and clinical experience, she makes the impossible seem possible.”–Mel Robbins, bestselling author of The High Five Habit and host of The Mel Robbins Podcast
“Dr. Ramani has written the book on narcissism for our times, not simply because it upends everything we thought we knew about this personality, but because it gives real people a sense of hope…that they can heal, that they can move forward from these relationships, that it’s not you.”–Maria Shriver
“In writing It's Not You, Dr. Durvasula directly addresses victims of narcissistic abuse with targeted advice developed through years of clinical experience and research. I would highly recommend this book to anyone struggling in a relationship with a narcissist. Once you realize it's not you who is the problem, you can become the solution.”–W. Keith Campbell, PhD, professor of psychology at the University of Georgia and author of The Narcissism Epidemic
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Don’t bother
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How to enrich your life and destroy doubt in five seconds. Throughout your life, you've had parents, coaches, teachers, friends, and mentors who have pushed you to be better than your excuses and bigger than your fears. What if the secret to having the confidence and courage to enrich your life and work is simply knowing how to push yourself?
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I turned it off after an hour.
- By Zac on 04-08-17
By: Mel Robbins
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Maybe You Should Talk to Someone
- A Therapist, HER Therapist, and Our Lives Revealed
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One day, Lori Gottlieb is a therapist who helps patients in her Los Angeles practice. The next, a crisis causes her world to come crashing down. Enter Wendell, the quirky but seasoned therapist in whose office she suddenly lands. With his balding head, cardigan, and khakis, he seems to have come straight from Therapist Central Casting. Yet he will turn out to be anything but.
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It was like a hallmark movie being waterboarded into my ears for 15 hours
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By: Lori Gottlieb
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Started Listening By Accident
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The Daily Stoic
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A great reminder to once again listen to our inner voice…
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By: Susan Cain
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Manifest Now
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Manifest Now provides a step-by-step guide with tools, techniques, and proven strategies to raise your frequency and create the reality you want. This audiobook is designed to guide you through the mental, physical, and spiritual aspects of manifesting and creating all that your heart desires. You'll learn how to start removing mental and emotional blocks so you can rediscover that manifesting is your natural birthright. You'll feel more confident, reconnected, and powerful as you listen.
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This is my first review of 2 years subscribed!
- By Rodrigo on 02-22-19
By: Idil Ahmed
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How to Say It: Words That Make a Difference
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Words. We use them all the time, every day, mostly without giving them much thought at all. We take for granted that they’re here at our disposal whenever we need them. But if you’ve ever wished you could communicate more effectively, words are the place to start. It’s incumbent upon you to choose the best words to accomplish your goals, because how you choose to communicate influences—well, everything! The power of communication shapes our professional goals, our relationships, and our lives—so the words we choose to use carry a great deal of power.
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Meh. Glad I didn't pay for it.
- By Paula on 07-23-22
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The Art of Extraordinary Confidence
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Confidence is the doorway to success in all areas of life. Whether you want to excel in your career, triple your income, create an amazing relationship, or just feel happy and satisfied with who you are, self-confidence is essential. In this inspiring and liberating book, Dr. Aziz slices through each obstacle on the path towards ever-increasing confidence.
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Finally! This book really is life changing!
- By Brianne on 05-05-17
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How to Be a 3% Man
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My book covers both the dating world and long-term relationships. You will learn how to meet and date the type of women you've always dreamed of. The best part is you can do this while remaining who you truly are inside. The book teaches you how to create sexual attraction in women and get women to chase and pursue you! It takes you step by step with easy-to-follow instructions. You will be able to meet women anytime, anyplace, and anywhere. This will give you choice with women.
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3% MAN
- By Anonymous User on 07-07-17
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How to Release Anxiety
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It’s not just you. Stress levels are at an all-time high—so much so that a recently convened panel of medical experts in the US has recommended that all adults under the age of 65 be screened for anxiety. In How to Release Anxiety, Gabby Bernstein offers simple, actionable steps for feeling better, living with more ease, and showing up for those around us. Gabby’s unusual advice: Rather than manage your anxiety, what if you befriended it? Gabby posits that what we befriend, we can ultimately be at ease with. So she invites us to get curious.
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Not my thing, but one good point
- By Scott on 10-22-22
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The Gift of Fear
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- By: Gavin de Becker
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These days, no one in America feels immune to violence. But now, in this extraordinary, groundbreaking book, the nation's leading expert on predicting violent behavior unlocks the puzzle of human violence and shows that, like every creature on earth, we have within us the ability to predict the harm others might do us and get out of its way. Contrary to popular myth, human violence almost always has a discernible motive and is preceded by clear warning signs.
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Decent book severely undermined by last chapter.
- By zachary on 11-01-22
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Take Control of Your Life
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Mel Robbins is back! The international bestselling phenomenon and creator of The Five Second Rule and Kick Ass with Mel Robbins returns to help you tackle the single biggest obstacle you face: fear. This life-changing Audible Original features a powerful mix of one-on-one life-coaching sessions and a personal narrative with vital take-aways that you can start using immediately.
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Stop living in fear
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Models
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Models is the first book ever written on seduction as an emotional process rather than a logical one, a process of connecting with women rather than impressing them. It's the most mature and honest guide on how a man can attract women without faking behavior, without lying and without emulating others. A game-changer.
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The content is great but the reader is awful
- By Mark Speener on 06-24-14
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The Confidence Gap
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Russ Harris offers a surprising solution to low self-confidence, shyness, and insecurity: Rather than trying to "get over" our fears, he says, the secret is to form a new and wiser relationship with them. Paradoxically, it's only when we stop struggling against our fearfulness that we begin to find lasting freedom from it.
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The One Book for Overcoming Anxiety
- By Joel Smith on 01-11-16
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Identifying covert emotional manipulation is tricky. You sense something is wrong, but you can't quite put your finger on the problem. This powerful book will reveal to you if manipulation is at play in your relationships. It will open your eyes. You will learn 30 tactics manipulators use to get what they want. You will also learn to spot the warning signs within yourself that expose covert manipulation is taking place, even if you can't identify the specific tactics being used.
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- By Cat O. on 04-04-18
By: Adelyn Birch
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- Krystal Leann
- 02-25-24
Radical acceptance! Compassionate approach!
Should be a must read for all trauma mental health industries. Beautiful and compassionate approach to survivors (not victims) of abuse. Helpful, hopeful, and vulnerable.
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- elizabeth lawrence
- 02-29-24
Powerful Support for victims of Toxic Abuse
Thoughtfully written, succinct yet detailed. If you have toxic people in your life, this is a must read. You will find insightful explanations and helpful strategies to cope and protect yourself from harm.
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- Mom of two
- 03-04-24
Best book in narcissism and narcissistic abuse
Dr. Ramini's work, including this book, courageously pushes narcissism and narcissistic abuse into modern psychology and mental health care. Finally, someone identifies, accurately describes, and walks through the experiences of those who have been struggling their entire lives because of these significantly harmful relationship dynamics. My hope is that her work and advocacy of these issues results in better education and practice for counselors, therapists, the legal system, employers, etc., so that those who are affected finally can heal and avoid finding themselves in the dynamics again. Great work, Dr. Ramini! You are making a difference in so many people's lives.
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- Anonymous User
- 03-11-24
Cant say enough on how good this book is.
Very recommended for people who face antagonistic relationships and narcissistic people. 100% relevant from beginning to the end.
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- Curtis/Sarah
- 03-16-24
Well written and easy to digest.
Excellent resource for those struggling with Narcissistic people in their life. This book gives straightforward and practical tools to manage the Narc and heal yourself.
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- Anonymous User
- 03-21-24
Read this book!
This book is amazing and should be read by anyone suspecting narcissistic abuse in their life. It brought up a lot of things I didn’t even realize were part of narcissistic abuse.
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- Lynnie
- 04-02-24
exact truth
I thought that I'd heard it all. but no, I learned something new about myself. not my"'person"
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- HFR
- 04-09-24
Brilliant, life changing!
It provides the answer I have been seeking all my life. Packed with informations that makes a lot of sense. I listen to it over and over....
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- Austin E. Jonas Jr.
- 03-02-24
I needed this
There are times when a book is like a random conversation with a new stranger who, after a few minutes or conversation, you're like "They get me." The majority of conversations, books, articles, research, etc on narcissism, as Dr. Ramani Durvasula mentions, focuses on the narcissist. Oh, the irony! That said, what about those who suffer in narcissistic relationships? What about those who endure narcissistic abuse just to be treated as overlysensitive, too emotional, "the bigger person," to be dismissed as "that's just the way they are," or to be belittled by the community we thought would support us? What happens when the entire community we so cherish is no longer the support system we once cherished?
As I mentioned, this book made me feel that "They get me." I don't have to explain myself only to be mistreated by those I thought were my support system. In some cases, you can walk away. In some cases of narcissistic abuse, you would need to share a version of yourself that sets clear boundaries. In other cases, you may be unable to do any of this, but you can learn to embrace a version of yourself that will empower you in the narcissistic relationship. All of these responses and other approaches will be discussed in this book.
On a personal note, this was good therapy for me. I went through my own struggles with narcissistic abuse where, good to know, I used some methods Dr. Ramani Durvasula mentions in this book. However, there are a lot more tools this book has given me as someone who has been through narcissistic abuse and wants to heal more from it. There were a few times in this book where I had to put it down for a bit because in seeing some of the stories, I saw my own. Knowing there are others whose stories are now validated in the pages of this book is Heaven-sent. Knowing the pain a narcissistic relationship can cause to the emotional, mental, physical, spiritual health of someone is hell on earth. Hopefully, as Dr. Ramani Durvasula emphasizes more lions will begin to share their stories so that the hunter is no longer glorified. Thank you for this book, Dr. Ramani Durvasula. I needed this.
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- Mary Bloser
- 02-23-24
Critical expertise offered here!
I learned new things from this book, having read several about the subject of narcissism, and having
listened to multiple podcasts in the subject for years. This is an excellent book on how to heal and I cannot recommend it enough!
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