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When Rigg and his friends crossed the Wall between the only world they knew and a world they could not imagine, he hoped he was leading them to safety. But the dangers in this new wallfold are more difficult to see. Rigg, Umbo, and Param know that they cannot trust the expendable, Vadesh - a machine shaped like a human, created to deceive - but they are no longer certain that they can even trust one another.

But they will have little choice. Because although Rigg can decipher the paths of the past, he can’t yet see the horror that lies ahead: A destructive force with deadly intentions is hurtling toward Garden. If Rigg, Umbo, and Param can’t work together to alter the past, there will be no future.

©2012 Orson Scott Card (P)2012 Brilliance Audio, Inc.

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Story Stretching 101

COULD YOU POSSIBLY BE A LITTLE MORE INCOHERENT?
This book and the last book I read by Card have just made me mad. Card is using his famous name to sell crap. I love the early Card, before he became a preacher. Card had some good ideas, but instead of putting them in one book, he decided he could make more money by writing trilogies, knowing his name alone would sell the books. In this book he demonstrates how to stretch a short story into a book.
1. Have about five characters.
2. Have those characters, bitch and fight and discuss every single step they take.
3. Make sure the characters constantly misunderstand each other.
4. Have the characters even debate their and the other characters actions in their own heads. Make sure and really draw out these misunderstandings and insecurities.
5. Have the characters say things figuratively, so other characters can get literal and you can have middle school jokes about what was really meant.
SOMEONE ALWAYS MISUNDERSTANDS WHICH LEADS TO CORRECTION

I am going to try one more time to read a modern Card, (Earth Aware) and if that is as irritating as this, then I will stay with only pre 1990 Card books.

Android One "What was all the discussion about?"
Android Two "It's a human thing."

28 of 32 people found this review helpful

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  • Bryant
  • Winters, CA, United States
  • 11-03-12

Huge Card fan left slightly disappointed.

I'll start this by saying I'm a huge Card fan. Ender's Game is my favorite book, and I loved Pathfinder. I counted down the days until this was published, but now I'm left disappointed.

Card's usual depth and complexity are there in the story, and I cannot deny it isn't well written. But he significantly faulted, in my judgement anyways, by making the drama in this book all about the characters and their inabilities to trust each other.

A little bit of resentment towards each others is one thing, but there were whole chapters where the characters would argue or fight or just plain whine the whole time. It was distracting, removed me from the story, and even made me stop listening for chunks at a time. Honestly, it was so bad I wanted to slap the characters. It didn't really feel "real" considering what we'd known about them from the last book.

He's all set up for a climactic book three in which there will hopefully be real drama and conflict. This one felt forced, as though in order to justify a book two he forced out character drama that didn't need to exist and borderline overwhelmed the rest of the story.

I cannot wait for book three and I put my hopes on that one. This one felt as if half of it was unneeded, and downright annoying.

22 of 27 people found this review helpful

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  • Heidi
  • MILES CITY, MT, United States
  • 03-01-13

Another disappointed fan...

I also was excited to get the sequel to Pathfinder, a book which I really enjoyed. This book, however, was a waste of my time. It's convoluted twists and turns, backward and forward through time were too complicated to keep track of, and the constant guessing/explanations of each alternate reality possibility were boring and wore on my patience. Where was the editor?

There is constant potty talk, which really gets old, I wonder if anyone thinks of potty issues as much as OSC. I agree with other readers that the constant bickering was a drag on the story as well. There was no charm in the characters this time, I lost my love for them. The ending just made me irritated and I’m not sure if I have a desire to read the next book or not. When you fall out of love, sometimes it’s best just to walk away.

9 of 11 people found this review helpful

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Disappointing sequel to Pathfinder

What was most disappointing about Orson Scott Card’s story?

Fist of all, I am a huge Orson Scott Card fan, and have almost every book he has written. This is by far his worst effort.<br/><br/>The characters spent 90% of the book bickering with each other. While "teaming" together, the characters were constantly annoyed and upset with each other, whining, complaining, and disgruntled. This constant sniping and bickering was not necessary for the plot, and made for a miserable listening experience. <br/><br/>I'll buy into the idea that the way the characters felt was realistic, but not what I look for in fiction.

What reaction did this book spark in you? Anger, sadness, disappointment?

Grave disappointment. I kept waiting for the "friends" to stop snarling at each other, and to just move on with the story, but it was not to be.

Any additional comments?

I loved the first book, Pathfinder, and was so looking forward to the sequel. What a disappointment.

9 of 11 people found this review helpful

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Too much arguing between the characters.

Too much arguing going on between the characters. It distracted from the storyline.

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  • Tim
  • Bradenton, FL, United States
  • 08-08-13

Why a Different Narrator for each Chapter?

I really enjoyed the book and the whole story line. I can't wait for Book 3! My problem with this audiobook is the fact they used different narrators for each chapter. I'd just get use to one reader and hearing the characters, then they'd change to another narrator for the next chapter. For me, this took some getting use to and I question why?

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Gave Me a Headache

Pathfinder: Book 1 was entertaining and Orson Scott Card is rich and famous because he is a good author. Ruins: Pathfinder Book 2 was less interesting because the characters were constantly arguing with each other. I can visit my Brother and Sister if I want to hear screaming, pouting and lying. No need to use a credit when the real thing is free.

2 of 2 people found this review helpful

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See "Huge Card fan left slightly disappointed"

What disappointed you about Ruins?

the core of this book was about whining characters that was completely removed from the first book - absolutely no consistency with the characters from the first book - even allowing for different situations. It felt like it was written by someone that hadn't read the first book and who themselves was emotionally challenged.

What do you think your next listen will be?

not book three of this series - hopefully he doesn't hand off the writing of the gate thief to whomever he let write this drivel

What about the narrators’s performance did you like?

it was fine

You didn’t love this book... but did it have any redeeming qualities?

no

Any additional comments?

the first book was good enough that you are going to read this one anyway - just don't expect much.

2 of 2 people found this review helpful

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  • BJ
  • Emerald Isle, NC, United States
  • 11-10-12

Card in a bad Mood

The first section consisted of kids bickering and Card indulging himself in time travel ridiculous conundrums. The bickering became so annoying I never finished the story and now I'm in a bad mood.

11 of 14 people found this review helpful

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Groundhog Day Meets SciFi Armageddon

Would you say that listening to this book was time well-spent? Why or why not?

I enjoyed listening to the book, but there's lots of filler consisting of characters bickering that added nothing to the story and was actually painful at times. Real conflict is part of great story-telling, but filling pages with characters making the same old hackneyed jabs at each other is the author padding.<br/><br/>The positives of the book are a variety of interesting characters and a world of wonder and confusion where you don't know who, what, or when to trust. We have time travel, misbehaving human-like robots, dangerous computers, water-people, tree-people, perception-enhancing parasites, and mysterious mice. Somehow the novel combines a quest with the complexities of cold-wars and cast systems. This second book is much more ambitious than the first.<br/><br/>Are preemptive strikes justified? Where is the line between human and non-human drawn. How can you establish trust? Do the ends justify the means? In the end, our heroes find out just how difficult it can be to stop people from killing you when you don't even know why they want you dead. While the book has an exciting ending, it's hard to say whether the ending is a frustrating cliffhanger, or a reasonable tease for the next book in the series.

10 of 13 people found this review helpful