The contact experience can be elusive, but the flood of overwhelming phenomena can change a person. Powerful synchronicities, psychic knowing, healing abilities, and an overwhelming sense of mission—all of these can feel like a blessing or a curse.

David Metcalfe talks about the challenges of trying to confront the mystery of the UFO, and how creativity and “the story” can end-run the simplistic ideas held within pop culture. The real experience demands transformation, and the results are something altogether different.

Darren might be better known as ExoAcademian, his online alias. He is one of the most grounded and clear-spoken voices in this curious field of research. We cover some of his personal experiences as well as his ideas about the source of this mystery, and its power to transform. Here is a short list of links to find out more: His Patreon site. A recent interview with Kelly Chase on Dreamland. His point of Convergence podcast and website.

Earth: A Love Story is Robin Lassiter’s memoir of the anomalous. This is her story of awakening. One thing that comes up as a sort of theme of the interview is the act of surrendering. Robin confronts this with such poetic tenderness, and she shares the challenges and joys that come with something we might see as negative. We explore what it means to surrender, and our questions about surrendering permeate this interview. Find more at honeyheart.org Earth: A Love Story, the book can be found HERE.