In part 2 of our conversation with Doug Teschner and Beth Malow, Braver Angels national leaders and authors of a new book ("Beyond the Politics of Contempt: Practical Steps to Build Positive Relationships in Divided Times,") April and Glen explore the role of "conflict entrepreneurs" (Amanda Ripley's term) who profit from or actively seek to divide Americans. They point out the importance of people understanding "how they're being manipulated," and they encourage each of us to ask ourselves, "Am I part of the problem?" or "Am I a conflict enabler?" Despite many current challenges, which are discussed in some detail, the authors express hope for the country's future, asserting that people are "hungry" for solutions and that the "pendulum will swing back." Doug’s work across political divides in the New Hampshire Legislature is described as one example of how to help make positive changes. Doug and Beth urge individuals to take what action they can in their own lives to help move our country back to a better place. Their book launched on September 9th and is available on Amazon and other online outlets. It offers readers many suggestions on how to make meaningful contributions to improving our national dialogue, with numerous stories of how others have taken encouraging steps. See their website for a sample chapter: beyondthepoliticsofcontempt.com.

April and Glen have a conversation with fellow Braver Angels and national leaders Doug Teschner and Beth Malow, whose new book, "Beyond the Politics of Contempt: Practical Steps to Build Positive Relationships in Divided Times," revolves around addressing the increasing political polarization and divisiveness in the United States and offering practical steps to foster positive relationships and civil discourse. Key discussions in part 1 include the importance of disagreement in a democracy, as it is a natural and necessary step toward finding solutions. However, Doug cautions that "when we dehumanize people" by calling them "evil," "stupid," or "not a patriot," this prevents productive engagement and leads to an "us versus them mentality,” even dehumanization, which degrades a healthy democracy. A crucial first step is for individuals to identify their core values and then reflect on whether their actions and words, especially when discussing political opponents, align with those values. "Are you living your values?" Beth expresses concern that in our current environment, the "exhausted majority" have withdrawn into their bubbles and silo and has become apathetic. Their book aims to inspire these individuals to return to a healthy form of democratic and societal engagement.

In part 2 of our conversation with Sharon Downs, she outlines a variety of practical strategies and societal trends related to communication and bullying. We unpack the bystander effect, a phenomenon that often prevents intervention in bullying situations, and we learn about the "five D's" of intervention—a practical toolkit for anyone who wants to help when someone is being bullied. We also examine how social media and political polarization have normalized bullying behaviors and discuss the challenges posed by misinformation and confirmation bias. Sharon provides insightful recommendations for further learning and offers a hopeful perspective on a possible generational shift towards more respectful communication. This episode will be of particular interest for anyone interested in effective communication, conflict resolution, and understanding the complex dynamics that shape our public discourse.