Malissa Clark is an Associate Professor of Industrial-Organizational Psychology at the University of Georgia and Director of the Healthy Work Lab. She is the author of Never Not Working: Why the Always-On Culture Is Bad for Business—and How to Fix It.

Mentioned on the Show:

• Never Not Working (book): https://a.co/d/3xGh9q0
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• Malissa’s website: https://www.malissaclark.com/
• Connect with Malissa on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/malissa-clark-0387991a/

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Timestamps

(2:03) - Welcoming Malissa.
(2:24) - How did you come to study workaholism?
(3:41) - How do you define workaholism?
(10:48) - How much of workaholism is about the action work versus how you feel about the work?
(13:21) - It’s normal for achievement to take a lot of sacrifice. Don't we have to be workaholics to succeed?
(15:31) - What is "introjected motivation"?
(19:43) - How can we determine the difference between interjected and intrinsic motivation?
(24:05) - What impact does workaholism have on your health and relationships?
(28:46) - How influential are our phones and technology in fostering workaholism?
(31:08) - Can you explain what "working light" is?
(32:47) - Why is working light bad?
(34:47) - How do we break the cycle of responsiveness?
(48:05) - How do we let go of the guilt of not being productive?
(49:18) - What’s an example of a mastery experience?
(54:34) - Can you dispel the myth of needing employees to be workaholics for a company to succeed?
(1:00:49) - What one or two things someone struggling with workaholism should do to start?