Dilip Gaonkar⁠ is Professor of Rhetoric and Public Culture and the Director of Center for Global Culture and Communication at Northwestern University. This conversation takes cue from the book, Degenerations of Democracy (2022), that he co-authored with Charles Taylor and Craig Calhoun.

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Highlights:

All national formations have, inherent in them, some form of cultural majoritarianism or hegemony. Our present condition is marked by the transformation of such cultural majoritarianisms into political majoritarianisms, making use of democratic systems like elections and universal adult franchise. In other words, this has led to majority rule becoming majoritarian rule degenerating democracy from within.

Political communities oscillate between phases of cosmopolitan and ethno-religious conceptions of nationhood. However, a lot of factors need to fall in place for this particular political conjuncture to emerge. There is immense ideological labor that goes into the construction of an ethno-religious unity like this that overrides many other forms of economic and cultural differences. New fictional identities that enable majoritarian mobilization need to be created. It is not very clear as to whether majoritarian cultural politics comes from the top layer of society (as many tend to believe) or from the common people at the bottom. Further, politics is conjunctural and contingent enabling numerous possibilities. The question we need to ask is how this has come about in the present?

Those who devised the representative system as a means to operationalize democracy and popular sovereignty saw it also as a means to filter out the many (the poor demos) from wielding state power directly. However, they never foresaw that the system would also eventually facilitate and sustain ethno-religious majoritarian rule.

Majoritarianism is fueled by different kinds of desires and temporalities. Unlike the West, the postcolonial states of the Global South did not have a slow and staggered evolution over decades and centuries into a democratic system. They started off as mass democracies where all adults received franchise and political equality at one go, facilitated through well-crafted constitutions like in India. As a result, the two have broadly different democratic temporalities. This also means that the nature of the democratic institutions was also different. Moreover, the postcolonies had much more of a raw diversity in their populations, compared to Europe. The second temporal difference is that of a particular form of capitalist transformation that the West went through. More than cultural differences, countries like India had to address the more pressing question of poverty. As a result, such states became massive. Whereas in America, for instance, the primary concern was with limiting state power.

Elizabeth Shakman Hurd is Professor and Chair of Religious Studies and Professor of Political Science at Northwestern University.

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Through this conversation, Hurd helps us critically reflect on the meanings of “religious minority” in global politics as religion has emerged as probably the most prominent pivot around which the majority-minority division is being mobilized. As a result of it being a wide register encompassing different aspects of affective, existential, and collective experience, and what it means to be human, religion becomes an easy way to categorize people. She problematizes the importance attributed to religion as a determining category in citizenship, governance and law. Something as vast and fluid as religion cannot be defined without exclusions. The same goes for nationalist conceptions that seek to define certain religious groups as minorities and some others as the majority. She also problematizes easy binaries such as sacred and secular, "good" religion and "bad religion", and majority and minority, especially as those that are imbricated in histories of colonialism, empire, and racism. Rather than adopting pluralism as a normative fixed framework of governance and politics, Hurd points to the idea of "pluralization" (William Connolly) as a process and continuum, which can be more open and inclusive.