This week we talk with none other than Rhett Wilson: layman, craftsman, family man, and the inheritor of a rich religious legacy of "the Donalds," a family of ministers, missionaries, and devout believers (all of whom in this case share a name)--and the expectations that come from a family heritage of deep devotion. (Side note: Rhett is also Kelly's nephew). Rhett gives an unvarnished look at his spiritual background, what aspects of it he ran away from, and what drew him back in. He also talks about what faith and ministry look like to him now, and how one can be a light to people without a ministry or theology degree, or even necessarily agreeing with them (hint: it may involve beers in the garage.)

We talk with Keith Giles, a former pastor who "left the church to follow Jesus," and author of "The Quantum Sayings of Jesus" and several other books that challenge our understanding of the gospels. Keith talks with us about his journey into faithful uncertainty, the scholarship that helped him open up a new window into some of the otherwise mysterious sayings of Jesus, and how his discoveries have helped him understand what Jesus was telling us to do. In addition to being an author, Keith is also editor at Quoir publishing and host of Heretic Happy hour and other podcasts.

Keith Giles

www.keithgiles.com

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063595719168

https://www.instagram.com/keithagiles/

https://twitter.com/keithgiles

https://quoir.com/

https://www.patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/heretic-happy-hour

Mark and Kelly talk with Mason Mennenga, “the Internet’s Youth Pastor,” about his journey from Evangelical purity culture through his seminary and theological training that brought him to some radical new understandings of Christianity—and we talk about all the work he does on social media and his podcasts to share his studied theology—in an often hilarious and irreverent way.

Mason Mennenga

On X: @masonmennenga

Podcasts: @peoplestheology & @blacksheeppod

YouTube.com/masonmennenga