• Ep 108 – The Hero’s Journey to Health 3.0, with Dr. Zubin Damania (“ZDoggMD”)

  • May 23 2022
  • Length: 1 hr and 17 mins
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Ep 108 – The Hero’s Journey to Health 3.0, with Dr. Zubin Damania (“ZDoggMD”)

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  • This week we are talking about how value-based care transformation is related to the “Hero’s Journey” monomyth that was initially described by Joseph Campbell, an intellectual known for his work in comparative mythology and religion. Campbell studied religions, all of the greatest literary achievements, mythologies, folklores, and fairytales and discovered that they all involve a hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed.  Leaders in healthcare transformation are on a Hero’s Journey, not unlike Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Apollonius of Tyana, Odysseus, Superman, Luke Skywalker, and Harry Potter! We all have one thing in common -- we follow our bliss in becoming captivated by population health and health equity and then reach for the stars! Joining us this week in the Race to Value is the one and only Dr. Zubin Damania.  Dr. Damania (aka “ZDoggMD”) is a physician Leader, internet personality, and healthcare influencer with 2.5M Facebook followers and 75M YouTube views.  In this special podcast episode (a recording from the closing keynote at the Advancing Health Value Summit), Zubin discusses the transition to Health 3.0 through the monomyth of the Hero’s Journey. In this podcast, we pay special attention to the issues of burnout and moral injury in the healthcare workforce and how we forge a new way for delivering care that is compassionate, relationship-based, and technology-enabled.  Can our nation’s healthcare industry successfully make the transition from Health 2.0 to Health 3.0 in this Hero’s Journey?  Will health leaders heed the call for adventure and come back home completely transformed?  Meet Dr. Damania, your mentor in this journey to provide you (the Hero) with guidance and inspiration to dispel your doubts and fears, while also giving you strength and courage to begin the quest. Episode Bookmarks: 03:00 Introduction to ZDoggMD (and how Eric first met him at a 6-day silent mediation retreat!) 05:00 “We are all trying to forge a new way of being in the world when it comes to health care.” 05:20 COVID-19, system fragility, and workforce burnout 06:20 An opportunity for optimism and the two sides of “hero’s work here” 07:30 The Hero’s Journey in healthcare (Health 1.0 à Health 2.0 à Health 3.0) 08:20 Zubin explains “Health 1.0” as a way physicians practiced holistic medicine based on relationship and intuition 10:15 Physician paternalism in Health 1.0 began the Hero’s Journey (just like Luke Skywalker on Tattooine deciding to forge a new path forward) 11:00 The excessive utilization, care variation, and escalating costs of Health 1.0 12:00 The dominator physician hierarchy of Health 1.0 and how that relegated nurses to a lower status 13:30 The origins of “Health 2.0” – a technology-enabled, data-driven business model 15:30 Right-brain (holistic care) vs. Left-brain (reductionist care) that led to a clash in medicine between 1.0 and 2.0 16:30 The shadow side of Health 2.0 (reductionist de-humanization, commodification, and de-personalization) due to the dominator administrator hierarchy 17:30 “Burnout is like renal failure. You are being dialyzed due to chronic moral injury.” 18:00 What is moral injury and how does it apply to healthcare? 19:00 The suffering created by Health 2.0 and how looking inward can help the workforce find equanimity (Awakening) 20:00 The negative feedback loop caused by a flawed system and how that contributes to moral injury 20:20 The Empire of 2.0:  How de-personalized EHR systems defeat healthcare heroes by turning them into data entry clerks 22:00 How Zubin reached the apex of 2.0 due to pressures to practice medicine on an assembly line 23:30 Health 1.0 is the old shore, Health 2.0 is the boat we're in, Health 3.0 is the shore we're trying to get to. 24:00 How Zubin found inspiration from “The Happiness Hypothesis” by Jonathan Haidt
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