Julie Dirksen is the author of the books Design For How People Learn and Talk to the Elephant: Design Learning for Behavior Change. She is a learning strategy consultant with a focus on incorporating behavioral science into learning interventions. She’s been an adjunct faculty member at the Minneapolis College of Art and Design and is a Learning Guild Guildmaster.

Mentioned on the Show:

• Talk to the Elephant: Design Learning for Behavior Change (book): https://a.co/d/hYJTByT
• Design For How People Learn (Voices that Matter) (book): https://a.co/d/9BoCfdX
• Augmented and Virtual Reality for Behavior Change (white paper): https://www.learningguild.com/insights/237/augmented-and-virtual-reality-for-behavior-change/
• Connect with Julie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliedirksen
• Julie's website: https://usablelearning.com/

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Timestamps:

(2:04) - Welcoming Julie
(3:58) - Do adults and kids learn differently?
(8:00) - Can you explain the title of your book ‘Talk to the Elephant’?
(18:34) - How does delayed gratification play into corporate training?
(26:53) - How do you feel about the concept of experiential learning?
(31:18) - How do you see people using augmented reality and virtual reality in the workplace?
(41:29) - Can you talk about what is extrinsic vs. intrinsic motivation?
(49:49) - Can you talk about what is the difference between individual and group behavior change?
(1:03:20) - Where can people find you if they want to learn more about this?
(1:04:16) - What suggestions would you give people to start implementing instructional design?