Elif and Winter have a beautiful conversation about her sweet twin children, Mavi and Deniz who were born at 25 weeks do to placental failure and complications of cholestasis of her pregnancy. Elif talks about the struggle that she and her husband had to conceive, but the joy they experienced when they did have a positive birth test and later about finding out that they were expecting twins. Elif talks about the health care and attention she received during her pregnancy in her home country of Turkiye. Elif talks about having to go in early for a planned Caesarean birth of her twins and the loss of both her children.

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