If the idea of “healthy co-parenting” makes you want to throw your phone, this episode is for you. Comedian Andrea Rappaport and powerhouse family law attorney Morgan Stogsdill sit down with co-parenting expert and bestselling author Jon Bassford, JD, MBA, CAE, whose real-life story of turning a hostile divorce into a functional, daily-communication co-parenting dynamic will shock you—in the best way.

Jon's new book, The Co-Parenting Secret: It's Not About You, doesn't sugarcoat the difficulty or pretend everyone can be friends. Instead, it offers a revolutionary reframe: stop thinking about "my time" or "their time" and start thinking about your child's life. It challenges the toxic win/lose mindset and offers a new model: collaborative parenting focused on emotional safety, communication, and showing up for your kid every time.

His message resonates with divorced, separated, dating-but-split, or any parents navigating two-home situations, because it's not about having a friendly ex or following a perfect plan. It's about making intentional choices that prioritize your kids above your own convenience, preferences, or pride.

Jon is also a TEDx speaker, CEO of Lateral Solutions, and brings 20+ years of executive leadership to his work but this book isn't about applying business frameworks to family life. It's about the messy, honest journey of getting co-parenting right after getting it wrong.

Jon didn’t start with unicorns and rainbows. There was resentment, trash-talking, incompatible living… the whole messy thing. But he learned the intentional steps that transform co-parenting from a battleground into actual teamwork. In this episode, we dig into what co-parenting looks like when it’s real, what to do when your ex refuses to cooperate, and why saying “Of course” instead of “Fine” could change literally everything.

Whether you’re co-parenting with a narcissist, parallel-parenting with someone who refuses to meet you halfway, or just trying to not lose your mind over a simple schedule swap, you’ll walk away with mindset shifts, scripts, action steps, and legal strategy you can use TODAY.

Jon and his ex did not get along at first. There was hostility, miscommunication, and resentment — just like what most people experience. Progress happens in baby steps, not giant leaps.

Your instinct is to say “no.” That’s human. But dropping your guard and choosing calm over chaos immediately changes your internal state. Less spiraling, less anger, less anxiety.

Morgan breaks down how tools like Our Family Wizard create evidence showing you are the reasonable parent. If a judge ever needs to get involved, this matters A LOT.

Jon explains how resentment destroys your peace more than it punishes your ex. Letting go isn’t excusing behavior — it’s freeing yourself.

Co-parenting gets easier when you know why you’re doing it: stability for your child, emotional peace for yourself, and a healthier long-term dynamic.

00:00 — Why “our natural reaction is to say no”

00:17 — Morgan explains the legal strategy behind saying “yes”

00:31 — What saying “of course” does for you

00:57 — Andrea on isolation during divorce

01:12 — Why connecting with community matters

01:27 — Truly Engaging partnership + holiday card...

This week, Morgan and Andrea flip the script and want you to SUCK at divorce. Yep, you read that right. Learn how to Set aside your feelings, Utilize experts, Calm your nervous system, and Know the facts: a game-changing framework that’ll help you make better decisions (and fewer expensive mistakes) during your divorce.

From cortisol spikes to co-parenting apps, nervous-system hacks, and even Amazon finds that actually don’t suck, the girls cover it all ...with the perfect blend of legal insight, emotional honesty, and wine-soaked humor you’ve come to expect.

• Why your emotions are the worst business partners during divorce — and how to manage them
• How to think like a CEO (even when you feel like a hot mess)
• When and how to actually use your divorce experts
• Simple science-based tricks to calm your body in moments of panic
• How to separate facts from feelings to protect your sanity (and your wallet)

S – Set aside your feelings

U – Utilize experts

C – Calm your nervous system

K – Know the facts (and stick to them)

Timestamps:

05:01 – The Hulu Show That Made Us Cringe

Andrea reviews All’s Fair — the all-female divorce firm drama starring Kim Kardashian — and the verdict? “It sucks.” (Which turns out to be the perfect segue…)

07:46 – Introducing the SUCK Acronym

Morgan and Andrea unveil a new framework that will actually help you survive your divorce with your dignity intact:

S – Set aside your feelings

U – Utilize experts

C – Calm your nervous system

K – Know the facts (and stick to them)

09:02 – Step 1: Set Aside Your Feelings

Morgan explains the science behind emotional flooding (hello, cortisol!) and how to think like a businessperson instead of a brokenhearted one.

10:34 – Andrea’s Advice for the Highly Emotional

If you can’t be calm — pretend to be someone who can. Channel your inner TV badass (minus the tire-slashing).

11:35 – Step 2: Utilize Experts

Morgan reminds listeners: you hired your experts for a reason. Don’t go rogue.

12:55 – Why Ignoring Your Attorney’s Advice Backfires

Andrea walks through what happens when clients do the opposite of what their lawyer says — and how to avoid a legal disaster.

15:59 – Step 3: Calm Your Nervous System

Andrea and Morgan dig into the physical side of stress. What happens in your body when your ex drops a bombshell — and how to get your calm back.

17:54 – Morgan’s “20-Minute Rule” for Freakouts

She shares a practical strategy: take 20–30 minutes before responding to any major divorce news. No driving, no emailing, no rage-texting.

19:44 – Andrea’s Panic-Proof Toolkit

The “panic attack queen of Chicago” shares her science-backed tricks: movement, cold exposure, vagus-nerve activation, and a hilarious deck of cards that actually help.

22:29 – Step 4: Know the Facts and Stick to Them

Morgan explains why emotional storytelling wastes time and money — and how bullet-pointed facts will save your case.

23:50 – Feelings Aren’t Facts

Andrea breaks down why your opinions about “Brenda being a nut job”...

You’re almost done… which is exactly when smart people make expensive mistakes. In this punchy, practical episode, Andrea and Morgan tackle “divorce senioritis”, that end-of-process urge to rush, stop reading, or pick last-minute fights, and lay out the three biggest mistakes people make in the final stretch of divorce (plus how to avoid them without losing your mind or your money).

1.Don’t glaze over “small” document edits

• Tiny word shifts like “may / shall / will” can flip legal meaning.
• Action: Print the latest draft, run a Word Compare, read line-by-line for one quiet hour, and send your written questions to your attorney.
• Ask explicitly: “Do these changes affect any earlier documents (e.g., parenting or financial agreements)?”

2.Stop the 11th-hour nickel-and-diming

• Adding minor demands late (or “saving money” by not calling your lawyer) can drag negotiations and raise fees.
• Action: Bullet the 5–8 items bugging you; ask your lawyer:
• “Which of these have a realistic chance of success and are worth pushing to get us across the finish line?”
• Big picture > petty wins.

3.Prepare for the mixed emotions after finalization

• Relief, sadness, anticlimax—it’s normal to feel the opposite of what you expected.
• Action: Don’t over-schedule a celebration that day. Give yourself space to process, rest, and recalibrate.

• 00:00 Senioritis is real: why the finish line is risky
• 05:24 The urge to “just sign it” (and how that backfires)
• 10:14 Compare feature, “may/shall/will,” and cross-document impacts
• 16:40 Nickel-and-diming at the 11th hour (and how to reframe control)
• 23:39 Read like a businessperson, not a broken heart
• 25:39 The post-divorce emotional curve (why it’s anticlimactic)
• 28:38 Don’t plan a blowout the day it finalizes—plan space
• 33:12 Mini-game: Marry or Divorce? (PG-13 edition)

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The first 30 days of divorce can feel like a tornado: unpredictable, emotional, and expensive if you’re not careful. In this episode, hosts Andrea Rappaport (comedian + marketing guru) and Morgan L. Stogsdill (family law powerhouse) share the top three mistakes people make in the early days of divorce, and how to avoid them.

From texting your ex when you’re angry, to oversharing on social media, to thinking you can “speed through” the legal process. This episode breaks down the emotional, financial, and legal landmines that derail people again and again. You’ll laugh, cringe, and probably see yourself in a few of these moments (we’ve all been there).

If you’re newly separated or about to file, this episode is your permission slip to pause, breathe, and get smart.

1️⃣ Mistake #1: Expecting it to get easier right away

• Why things actually feel worse before they get better
• How to ask your attorney for a 30-day roadmap
• The importance of managing adrenaline and expectations

2️⃣ Mistake #2: Venting online (and via text)

• Why your DMs, TikToks, and “inspirational quotes” can backfire legally
• The true cost of an emotional text (yes, every angry email = more billable hours)
• How to protect your privacy and your kids’ peace during divorce

3️⃣ Mistake #3: Rushing through paperwork to “get it over with”

• Why going too fast leads to expensive mistakes
• How to give yourself grace — and time — in the process
• Why “slow and steady” really does win this race

The early days of divorce are all about emotional control, clarity, and smart strategy. Expect the chaos, plan for it, and don’t react from pain. Whether you’re tempted to overshare online, over-email your lawyer, or overthink your ex ... stop, take a breath, and remember: you’ve got this. And we’ve got you.

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When divorce gets messy, who gets the details, your best friend or your lawyer? Comedian Andrea Rappaport and family-law powerhouse Morgan L. Stogsdill break down exactly what belongs in your attorney’s inbox (strategy, facts, timelines, negotiations) and what belongs at brunch (feelings, venting, support). You’ll learn how to communicate efficiently to save money, protect leverage, and avoid sabotaging your case, plus how to choose the right friends to lean on without getting “keyed up and liquored up” and firing off expensive emails. Practical scripts, pattern-tracking tips, and a reminder that attorney-client conversations are confidential.

• Negotiating without lawyers? Tell your attorney first.
• What to report: “We’ve been negotiating directly,” plus the round-by-round back-and-forth (Offer → Counter → Counter). This preserves leverage and prevents your lawyer from being blindsided by opposing counsel’s “but the parties already agreed…” (≈ 11:00–12:31).
• Use cost-effective communications.
• Prefer a short bullet-point email or a 15-minute call to recap facts; end with a clear question (“Is this relevant / do you need more?”) so your lawyer can triage quickly (≈ 12:06–12:41, 16:45–17:45).
• Medical issues can change your financial outcome.
• Tell your lawyer the bottom line (e.g., “Follow-up testing showed I had a stroke; next steps include X”). This can impact maintenance/alimony, health-insurance planning, and future medical costs—don’t hold back due to privacy; it’s confidential (≈ 6:01–8:54).
• Kids & custody: document patterns, not one-offs.
• Track behaviors over time (timeline with dates) and escalate only when a pattern emerges. Use a co-parenting app (e.g., OurFamilyWizard) so records are centralized and tamper-resistant (≈ 18:59–20:29, 36:13–36:49).
• Do not crowd-source legal strategy or finances to friends.
• Don’t pass around your financial affidavit/balance sheet or share strategy; non-experts amp anxiety and can trigger costly re-work by your legal team (≈ 24:07–26:45).
• Avoid “keyed up + liquored up” emails.
• Late-night venting to your lawyer = billable time and often requires follow-up to unwind, costing hundreds for nothing actionable (≈ 24:49–25:48).
• Attorney-client privilege & scope.
• Your lawyer needs high-level facts and actionable timelines; save feelings for friends/therapist unless they reveal patterns relevant to the case (≈ 4:47–5:37, 18:59–19:46).

• 00:00 Why lawyers need the facts; negotiating w/o attorneys
• 03:38 Attorney vs. friend: who gets what
• 06:01 Medical issues that change financial outcomes
• 09:35 Private negotiations: how to report rounds + counters
• 12:06 Bullets vs. calls; add a question to every email
• 16:45 Kids’ issues: patterns, timelines, apps
• 21:16 Choosing the right friend (avoid “Sally Big Mouth” & hidden agendas)
• 24:07 Don’t show friends your balance sheet; cost traps
• 32:56 Community + handwritten cards (sponsor segment)
• 41:19 Marathon mindset + resources/community

• “Your attorney protects your case; your friend protects your heart—don’t confuse the two.”
• “If you’re negotiating directly, tell us—and give...

Money talk can make anyone want to hide under a blanket (or a naked sweater 👀), but dividing assets during divorce doesn’t have to send you into a panic spiral. In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, comedian Andrea Rappaport and powerhouse attorney Morgan Stogsdill break down the financial side of divorce into three simple letters: A, B, and C

You’ll laugh, you’ll cringe, and you’ll definitely take notes as Andrea and Morgan make sense of the mess — from Target runs and Amazon receipts to Botox budgets and business-minded thinking.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• A — Ask for Help: How to stop avoiding financial paperwork, and who you should lean on (yes, paralegals and lawyers are your new BFFs).
• B — Think Like a Business Person: Why emotions can tank smart decisions — and how to negotiate like you’re closing a deal, not fighting a war.
• C — Calculate, Don’t Catastrophize: The mindset shift that keeps you out of the panic zone and focused on strategy, not drama.
• Morgan’s expert tips on financial affidavits, balance sheets, and why honesty about your spending (yes, even the Botox) pays off in the long run.
• Andrea’s real-life story about getting zero in her settlement — and how she turned it into a comeback.
• Wild (and hilarious) real-world examples of divorce gone petty — from stolen cabinet knobs to donation revenge schemes

💡 Whether you’re splitting assets worth millions or dividing a Target cart, this episode gives you the knowledge, humor, and empowerment to handle your money like a pro — without losing your sanity.

Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-course

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Do you feel like your life is on pause until your divorce is finalized? You’re not alone, but you don’t have to wait for papers, court dates, or signatures to start moving forward.

In this candid (and hilarious) episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, comedian Andrea Rappaport and top family law attorney Morgan Stogsdill share the real truth about life “in limbo” during divorce and how to reclaim your sense of control today.

What You'll Learn:

• Why waiting for “someday” is the biggest trap people fall into during divorce.
• The difference between what’s legally on hold vs. what’s emotionally self-imposed
• Practical ways to feel progress when everything seems stuck: routines, and community support.
• Andrea’s relatable (and ridiculous) humor about skincare, salmon sperm masks, and why she hates the word healing.
• Morgan’s legal tips on dating, parenting schedules, and even buying a house before your divorce is final.
• A game called “I Give You Permission” where the hosts hand out real-life permission slips to help you breathe easier and take action now

💡 Whether you’re stuck living with your ex, confused about dating during divorce, or simply tired of waiting, this episode gives you both the laughs and the strategies you need to feel less like you’re treading water and more like you’re steering the ship.

Our Divorce Crash Course was designed to hold your hand through the process and help you avoid major and expensive mistakes. Learn more here: https://www.hownottosuckatdivorce.com/divorce-crash-course

Our Family Wizard is another fantasitc resource for those who need help navigating the "fun" world of coparenting. Head to this landing page to see how we work closely with them to support our listeners! http://www.ourfamilywizard.com/notsuck

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In this episode of How Not to Suck at Divorce, Andrea Rappaport and Morgan Stogsdill get into the often-overlooked connection between divorce and grief. The holidays can intensify feelings of loss, loneliness, and emotional pain, making it crucial to find healthy coping mechanisms, community support, and tools for personal growth.

The hosts explore why grief isn’t just about the death of a loved one—it’s also a natural and valid response to the end of a marriage or relationship. They break down common misconceptions about grief, the importance of mental health support, and how to create grief-informed workplaces that help employees heal. You’ll also hear actionable strategies for emotional healing, including creative outlets and building supportive communities.

If you’re navigating the complex emotions of divorce and grief this conversation offers both compassion and practical guidance.

What you'll learn:

• Divorce is grief: Ending a marriage is a major life loss that requires emotional healing.
• Holidays amplify emotions: Loneliness and sadness often increase during seasonal gatherings.
• Grief is not linear: It may show up as anger, sadness, guilt, or even relief.
• Misconceptions hurt healing: Ignoring or minimizing grief can slow down recovery.
• Community matters: Leaning on support groups, friends, and family can ease the burden.
• No set timeline: Everyone’s grieving process looks different.
• Workplace awareness: Grief-informed policies benefit both employees and employers.
• Creative outlets help: Journaling, art, and other self-expressive activities can be powerful coping tools.
• Validation is healing: Recognizing all forms of grief encourages healthier mental health.
• You’re not alone: Many people share similar struggles and experiences.

Rebecca Feinglos (pronounced fine-gloss) is a certified grief support specialist and founder of Grieve Leave. Rebecca founded Grieve Leave in 2021 as a way to document her experience on a year-long grief sabbatical, as a way to process her own grief and loss— she lost her mother in her teens, her father in 2020, and her marriage in a drawn-out divorce. Grieve Leave has grown into a community of 25,000 that provides tangible takeaways, resources, and a healthy dose of humor, creating an entire movement around taking intentional time to grieve. Rebecca has been featured in LA Times, Fortune, TIME,