If the idea of “healthy co-parenting” makes you want to throw your phone, this episode is for you. Comedian Andrea Rappaport and powerhouse family law attorney Morgan Stogsdill sit down with co-parenting expert and bestselling author Jon Bassford, JD, MBA, CAE, whose real-life story of turning a hostile divorce into a functional, daily-communication co-parenting dynamic will shock you—in the best way.

Jon's new book, The Co-Parenting Secret: It's Not About You, doesn't sugarcoat the difficulty or pretend everyone can be friends. Instead, it offers a revolutionary reframe: stop thinking about "my time" or "their time" and start thinking about your child's life. It challenges the toxic win/lose mindset and offers a new model: collaborative parenting focused on emotional safety, communication, and showing up for your kid every time.

His message resonates with divorced, separated, dating-but-split, or any parents navigating two-home situations, because it's not about having a friendly ex or following a perfect plan. It's about making intentional choices that prioritize your kids above your own convenience, preferences, or pride.

Jon is also a TEDx speaker, CEO of Lateral Solutions, and brings 20+ years of executive leadership to his work but this book isn't about applying business frameworks to family life. It's about the messy, honest journey of getting co-parenting right after getting it wrong.

Jon didn’t start with unicorns and rainbows. There was resentment, trash-talking, incompatible living… the whole messy thing. But he learned the intentional steps that transform co-parenting from a battleground into actual teamwork. In this episode, we dig into what co-parenting looks like when it’s real, what to do when your ex refuses to cooperate, and why saying “Of course” instead of “Fine” could change literally everything.

Whether you’re co-parenting with a narcissist, parallel-parenting with someone who refuses to meet you halfway, or just trying to not lose your mind over a simple schedule swap, you’ll walk away with mindset shifts, scripts, action steps, and legal strategy you can use TODAY.

Jon and his ex did not get along at first. There was hostility, miscommunication, and resentment — just like what most people experience. Progress happens in baby steps, not giant leaps.

Your instinct is to say “no.” That’s human. But dropping your guard and choosing calm over chaos immediately changes your internal state. Less spiraling, less anger, less anxiety.

Morgan breaks down how tools like Our Family Wizard create evidence showing you are the reasonable parent. If a judge ever needs to get involved, this matters A LOT.

Jon explains how resentment destroys your peace more than it punishes your ex. Letting go isn’t excusing behavior — it’s freeing yourself.

Co-parenting gets easier when you know why you’re doing it: stability for your child, emotional peace for yourself, and a healthier long-term dynamic.

00:00 — Why “our natural reaction is to say no”

00:17 — Morgan explains the legal strategy behind saying “yes”

00:31 — What saying “of course” does for you

00:57 — Andrea on isolation during divorce

01:12 — Why connecting with community matters

01:27 — Truly Engaging partnership + holiday card...

This week, Morgan and Andrea flip the script and want you to SUCK at divorce. Yep, you read that right. Learn how to Set aside your feelings, Utilize experts, Calm your nervous system, and Know the facts: a game-changing framework that’ll help you make better decisions (and fewer expensive mistakes) during your divorce.

From cortisol spikes to co-parenting apps, nervous-system hacks, and even Amazon finds that actually don’t suck, the girls cover it all ...with the perfect blend of legal insight, emotional honesty, and wine-soaked humor you’ve come to expect.

• Why your emotions are the worst business partners during divorce — and how to manage them
• How to think like a CEO (even when you feel like a hot mess)
• When and how to actually use your divorce experts
• Simple science-based tricks to calm your body in moments of panic
• How to separate facts from feelings to protect your sanity (and your wallet)

S – Set aside your feelings

U – Utilize experts

C – Calm your nervous system

K – Know the facts (and stick to them)

Timestamps:

05:01 – The Hulu Show That Made Us Cringe

Andrea reviews All’s Fair — the all-female divorce firm drama starring Kim Kardashian — and the verdict? “It sucks.” (Which turns out to be the perfect segue…)

07:46 – Introducing the SUCK Acronym

Morgan and Andrea unveil a new framework that will actually help you survive your divorce with your dignity intact:

S – Set aside your feelings

U – Utilize experts

C – Calm your nervous system

K – Know the facts (and stick to them)

09:02 – Step 1: Set Aside Your Feelings

Morgan explains the science behind emotional flooding (hello, cortisol!) and how to think like a businessperson instead of a brokenhearted one.

10:34 – Andrea’s Advice for the Highly Emotional

If you can’t be calm — pretend to be someone who can. Channel your inner TV badass (minus the tire-slashing).

11:35 – Step 2: Utilize Experts

Morgan reminds listeners: you hired your experts for a reason. Don’t go rogue.

12:55 – Why Ignoring Your Attorney’s Advice Backfires

Andrea walks through what happens when clients do the opposite of what their lawyer says — and how to avoid a legal disaster.

15:59 – Step 3: Calm Your Nervous System

Andrea and Morgan dig into the physical side of stress. What happens in your body when your ex drops a bombshell — and how to get your calm back.

17:54 – Morgan’s “20-Minute Rule” for Freakouts

She shares a practical strategy: take 20–30 minutes before responding to any major divorce news. No driving, no emailing, no rage-texting.

19:44 – Andrea’s Panic-Proof Toolkit

The “panic attack queen of Chicago” shares her science-backed tricks: movement, cold exposure, vagus-nerve activation, and a hilarious deck of cards that actually help.

22:29 – Step 4: Know the Facts and Stick to Them

Morgan explains why emotional storytelling wastes time and money — and how bullet-pointed facts will save your case.

23:50 – Feelings Aren’t Facts

Andrea breaks down why your opinions about “Brenda being a nut job”...

You’re almost done… which is exactly when smart people make expensive mistakes. In this punchy, practical episode, Andrea and Morgan tackle “divorce senioritis”, that end-of-process urge to rush, stop reading, or pick last-minute fights, and lay out the three biggest mistakes people make in the final stretch of divorce (plus how to avoid them without losing your mind or your money).

1.Don’t glaze over “small” document edits

• Tiny word shifts like “may / shall / will” can flip legal meaning.
• Action: Print the latest draft, run a Word Compare, read line-by-line for one quiet hour, and send your written questions to your attorney.
• Ask explicitly: “Do these changes affect any earlier documents (e.g., parenting or financial agreements)?”

2.Stop the 11th-hour nickel-and-diming

• Adding minor demands late (or “saving money” by not calling your lawyer) can drag negotiations and raise fees.
• Action: Bullet the 5–8 items bugging you; ask your lawyer:
• “Which of these have a realistic chance of success and are worth pushing to get us across the finish line?”
• Big picture > petty wins.

3.Prepare for the mixed emotions after finalization

• Relief, sadness, anticlimax—it’s normal to feel the opposite of what you expected.
• Action: Don’t over-schedule a celebration that day. Give yourself space to process, rest, and recalibrate.

• 00:00 Senioritis is real: why the finish line is risky
• 05:24 The urge to “just sign it” (and how that backfires)
• 10:14 Compare feature, “may/shall/will,” and cross-document impacts
• 16:40 Nickel-and-diming at the 11th hour (and how to reframe control)
• 23:39 Read like a businessperson, not a broken heart
• 25:39 The post-divorce emotional curve (why it’s anticlimactic)
• 28:38 Don’t plan a blowout the day it finalizes—plan space
• 33:12 Mini-game: Marry or Divorce? (PG-13 edition)

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