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Maintenance Phase

Maintenance Phase

By: Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes
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Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.© 2026 Maintenance Phase Hygiene & Healthy Living Mental Health Awareness World
Episodes
  • Why Don't We Have a Surgeon General?
    Jul 27 2026

    We’re nearly halfway through Trump's second term and we still don’t have a Surgeon General. What gives?

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    • White House withdraws nomination of Janette Nesheiwat
    • Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Distorted Key Parts of Her Résumé
    • Dr. Janette Nesheiwat takes role at Walter Reed treating Havana Syndrome
    • When Did RFK Jr Start Listening to Calley and Casey Means?
    • What Casey Means and MAHA Want You to Fear
    • Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Is Tearing the MAHA Movement Apart
    • Trump surgeon general pick said mushrooms helped her find love
    • The Dizzying Rise of MAHA Warrior Calley Means
    • Casey Means Poised to Become Nation’s Top Doctor
    • Casey Means discloses financial ties to supplement industry
    • Laura Loomer Targets Trump’s Pick for Surgeon General
    • The Bad Science of Good Energy
    • Trump's Surgeon General Pick Tried to Trademark MAHA
    • Can Trump's latest pick for surgeon general make it through confirmation?
    • New surgeon general pick in deleted posts criticized Trump, RFK Jr
    • Trump’s pick for SG sells supplement with ingredient banned by Pentagon
    • Trump’s new surgeon general pick deepens MAHA-MAGA rift

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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • Salt
    Jun 10 2026

    In the 1980s, a low-sodium diet was seen as the gold standard for healthy behavior. In 2026, salt has been repackaged as “electrolytes” and is now cast as a core component of wellness. How did we get here?

    Also, an important correction: One pound of butter to one pound of potatoes is Joel Robuchon’s recipe.

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    • The 25 Saltiest Restaurant Meals in America
    • Facts, Issues, and Controversies in Salt Reduction for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease
    • Salt Wars
    • The INTERSALT Study: background, methods, findings, and implications
    • Sodium reduction
    • Sodium Intake Reduction: An Important But Elusive Public Health Goal
    • Effects of Diet and Sodium Intake
    • Salt intake, stroke, and cardiovascular disease
    • Racial and Ethnic Differences in Sodium Sources and Sodium Reduction Behaviors Among US Adults
    • The Great Salt Debate: So Bad?
    • Salt guidelines draw heavy backlash
    • Sodium Reduction in US Households’ Packaged Food and Beverage Purchases
    • Blood pressure lowering efficacy of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors for primary hypertension

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    53 mins
  • Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body" (feat. Peter Shamshiri)
    Apr 16 2026

    We're joined by Mike's If Books Could Kill co-host to revisit a biohacking diet book for the boys.

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    • The 4-Hour Body
    • Does Glycemic Index Matter for Weight Loss? An Examination of the Evidence
    • New! Improved! Shape Up Your Life!
    • The 4-Hour Body: The Real App You Are Working On Is An App Called Yourself

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    1 hr and 8 mins
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They are great! so funny and while I knew about Joseph Pilates never knew about Kathleen Stanford Grant. Great episode.

love it!

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As a researcher, I appreciate the critical review of research and the presentation of facts. These two are knowledgeable AND entertaining. I hope they around for many years to come.

My favorite podcast!

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Snarky, warm and opinionated. Really deepened my understanding of the topic in a very entertaining way. Also, Aubrey and Mike have a great chemistry and are just fun to listen to.

My favorite podcast ever.

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excellent episode. I'll be listening to this series based on this episode! Thank you Glennon and Abby for introducing me to this podcast!

Rewiring our brains on what Healthy "looks like"

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Always so informative and interesting. while the topics are complex, they are so good at unwinding the issues.

I love these hosts.

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