Bob Kinney is a recovered alcoholic after an 18-year battle of severe alcoholism. He is a father of six children and has 12 grandchildren. He is a veteran with a heart for homeless veterans. He is a Christian, retired carpenter, and devoted father and grandpa, residing in New Hope, MN. He is the author of Kill Me or Cure Me, a memoir published in 2024 which relives the story of his addiction and eventual recovery: Kill Me or Cure Me: A Message of True Recovery from Addiction.

This is a true story about addiction, recovery, and the destructive effects on family and loved ones. Treatment after treatment, meeting after meeting, and medications of every kind could not cure the craving or satisfy the emptiness brought on by my addiction. And none of which eased the quilt or shame he felt from the pain he had caused others. So, into the perpetual relapse he went, struggling for sobriety and attempting to conquer the craving, the great force feeding the addiction.

But this story does not end in defeat, a story sadly too common in this world. Rather this is a story to find an answer, to see ourselves for what we are and what we can become, being set free of this nightmare, and the ability to have true recovery and restoration of life.

In this interview, Bob shares a story or two of his experience of being at the lowest point of life from alcohol addiction where he lost everything and became homeless - his point of no return. Then, how he turned it around finding recovery and re-establishing relationships with his children and grandchildren. He wants to share how much he appreciates sobriety and life as a father/grandfather thanks to our loving and gracious God. His daughter, Colleen Schaeffel, who wrote her own memoir (Do You Believe in Me) is also present in the interview to talk about her dad: the dad she helped see his way to recovery. In her book Colleen tells the true story of the perfect family torn apart by addiction. She rallied her siblings to stand together through adversity, loss and whatever it took to find hope in their lives and recovery for their father. Her book is a must read for anyone who has lived through family dysfunction and a family member’s addiction. Colleen is so blessed to have him back in her life.

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Success isn’t just about climbing the ladder—it’s about helping others climb it too.

That’s the heart of Nick Jonsson, co-founder and Managing Director of EGN (Executives' Global Network) across Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia. Through EGN, Nick has built a lifeline for 800+ senior leaders—a safe space for connection, strategy, and real talk in the high-stakes, often isolating world of executive leadership.

But Nick’s impact goes deeper than titles and networks. After losing everything to addiction—career, health, and family—he turned personal rock bottom into a mission. Sparked by the tragic loss of a friend, Nick wrote the bestselling Executive Loneliness, a bold, honest guide that’s helped thousands of executives face burnout, stress, and isolation.

Now, as a top Ironman triathlete, executive coach, and global keynote speaker, Nick walks his talk on resilience and mental wellness. His insights have reached millions through 80+ podcasts, 30+ media features, and stages across Asia, including the APSS and CIPM HR conferences.

Nick’s story is one of comeback, courage, and compassion. If you think leadership is only about results, think again. Nick is here to show it’s also about humanity.

Listen in—because you’re never too old to grow young.

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Dr. Frederic Luskin is a psychologist who has been teaching at Stanford University for the past 30 years. He has a Ph. D in Counseling and Health Psychology from Stanford University and holds clinical licenses as a Psychologist and a Marriage and Family Counselor. Currently he is on the faculty for the GSB Executive Education program where he teaches mindfulness, emotional intelligence, psychological safety, and positive psychology to executives from all over the world. When not at Stanford, Dr. Luskin often speaks to a variety of audiences, including investors, corporate leaders, medical and mental health professionals, educators and several other organizations and individuals.

He also serves as Director of the Stanford University Forgiveness Projects. The forgiveness projects sponsor teaching and research that validate his nine steps to forgiveness. Dr. Luskin is one of the world’s recognized authorities on forgiveness, both of self and others and has taught forgiveness to tens of thousands of people.

Fred’s group has completed some good pilot data and written a workbook to help folks. How to use the research derived 9 steps to forgiveness. There is particular need for self forgiveness in recovery

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Dan Zsido has had 15 years of narcotics investigative experience with the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office. He established and supervised the Strategic Diversion Task Force investigating pharmaceutical crimes, doctor shopping, fraud, trafficking and more. Currently Dan is the Training and Education Director at NADDI (National Association of Drug Diversion Investigators) - The Training and Education Director assists the Executive Board in the development and implementation of NADDI Training Conferences and Dan is the man for the job! Dan Zsido is an awesome addition to the NADDI Executive Board. He brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the NADDI organization and strives to keep our training’s fresh, fun, and educational.

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A successful businesswoman and well-known political leader, Congresswoman Mary Bono (ret.) was hailed as the "embodiment of powerful American womanhood" by the Washington Times, rising to become Chairman of the influential U.S. House Subcommittee on Commerce, Manufacturing and Trade. In April of 2022, Mary was awarded the prestigious Distinguished Alumni Merit Award from her alma mater, the University of Southern California. Today, she is widely recognized as a powerful advocate for issues important for addiction prevention, treatment, and recovery. Mary was elected in 1998 to serve California's 44th (later changed to 45th) Congressional District after the untimely death of her husband, entertainer turned Congressman Sonny Bono. And in 2012, she became the first ever Chairman of the Women's Policy Committee (WPC) in the House.

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Julieta's powerful journey from the border town of Juarez, Mexico, to becoming a relentless advocate for drug education is nothing short of inspiring. Growing up in a community deeply affected by drug abuse, she witnessed firsthand not only the devastating impact on individuals but the ripple effect it had on entire neighborhoods. Realizing the urgent need for education and awareness, she became fiercely passionate about making a difference—especially when it came to educating children.

Since 2007, Julieta has served as the President of the Foundation for a Drug-Free World Florida Chapter, dedicating herself tirelessly to the cause. Her impact speaks volumes: she has personally delivered over 400 presentations, reaching more than 21,000 students, parents, teachers, and law enforcement officers. Beyond Florida and the U.S., her influence has extended across borders, training educators, officials, and community leaders in countries like Honduras, the Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Mexico, Spain, and Ireland.

A true force for change, Julieta has inspired over 7,500 individuals to sign the pledge to live drug-free lives. With her team, she has distributed hundreds of thousands of 'Truth About Drugs' materials, spreading awareness far and wide.

Since 2013, Julieta has hosted her own weekly radio segment, "La Verdad Sobre las Drogas" (The Truth About Drugs) on Vida 99.1 FM, where she continues to educate and inspire listeners. Her voice has reached millions, with over 150 media appearances, including TV, radio, and newspapers, both nationally and internationally.

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Lang Martinez, a resident of Los Angeles, CA, has successfully transformed his life's challenges into a compelling narrative of resilience.

As a Trauma Survivor, Unconventional Advocate, Recovery Mentor, Hope Dealer and Speaker. Martinez leverages his experiences of sexual abuse and rape as a minor to advocate for the homeless, employing a peer-to-peer approach recognized in various publications, including the Washington Examiner, VCRreporter, Monticito Journal, Fillmore Gazette, Vc Star, Citizens Journal, La Crescenta Valley Weekly, Keys To Recovery, and a forthcoming documentary film on the abuse and addiction stemming from a notorious Hollywood nightclub, Odyssey. Martinez stands alongside notable figures nationwide as a prominent advocate.

Despite facing numerous challenges, including addiction, imprisonment, and homelessness, Martinez continues to learn and grow, recognizing his past as a catalyst for his present. Martinez enjoys a fulfilling career, a loving relationship, and dedication to helping others.

He shares his story of resilience and recovery, inspiring others with his journey from homelessness and near-death experiences. Martinez credits 'God's Angels' for their support and faith in his ability to overcome.

Rising from Skid Row's challenges, Martinez embodies hope and redemption, having found salvation and peace.

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Dedee Pfeiffer, celebrated actress and younger sister of Michelle Pfeiffer, is known for her roles in hit shows like *Cybill* and *For Your Love* and her recent return to television as Denise Brisbane in ABC's *Big Sky.* But Dedee's journey is far more compelling than her screen credits alone. After stepping away from Hollywood for a decade to confront her alcohol addiction and raise her children as a single mom, she emerged not just as a survivor but as an advocate for recovery.

During her hiatus, Dedee earned a master’s degree in social work from UCLA and worked hands-on with the homeless and those battling mental health challenges. Her recovery journey was marked by courage and resilience, and she’s since become a powerful voice for addiction recovery, encouraging others to “recover out loud” and break the stigma around substance abuse.

Today, Dedee blends her revitalized acting career with her passion for helping others, sharing her story on platforms like the Betty Ford Center’s 40th anniversary event and advocating for the power of support systems and self-healing. Her story isn’t just about survival—it’s about transformation. Join us as we delve into Dedee Pfeiffer's extraordinary journey on this episode of our podcast.

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