Growth strategist Eli Schwartz explains why SEO must shift from a technical checklist to a core business driver. He introduces the concept of Product-Led SEO, using examples like Zillow to show how building high-value digital assets—rather than just "programmatic" spam—creates a sustainable competitive moat.

Schwartz also addresses the rise of AI in search, noting that personal context and AI Overviews make foundational SEO more critical than ever. He concludes with advice for SEO leaders: earn executive trust by aligning every search effort with revenue and lead generation rather than just traffic metrics.

In this episode of the SEO Rockstars podcast, Guillermo Bravo talks with Matthew Shterenberg, founder of Deep Roots, to strip away the fluff of modern search marketing and focus on what actually drives the bottom line.

Shterenberg argues that for local retail businesses like cannabis dispensaries, the path to a 20-30% increase in new customer sales lies in dominating the "local pack" for high-intent "near me" searches rather than getting lost in educational content.

He emphasizes a "back-to-basics" approach for 2026: streamlining tech stacks to avoid over-engineered sites, maintaining a rigorous system for consistent Google reviews, and balancing transactional "money pages" with focused informational content.

Jason Barnard's strategy for Brand SEO centers on a critical pivot away from a singular focus on keywords and toward building a strong brand entity.

As the founder of Kalicube, he argues that commercial success is found at the bottom of the acquisition funnel, where high-intent, branded searches occur. His methodology emphasizes clearly defining the brand's identity, who it serves, and its unique credibility.

For future-proofing against AI and Large Language Models (LLMs), he stresses the necessity of establishing the brand's website as the "entity home," ensuring message consistency across all digital footprints, actively seeking third-party corroboration, and making all offline activities visible to search machines.

Guillermo Bravo speaks with Jeremy Johnson of Quality Roots outlines the critical role of SEO as a top growth channel in the highly regulated cannabis industry, which faces severe restrictions on paid and out-of-home media.

Quality Roots employs a dual-focused SEO strategy: a wide-ranging e-commerce focus on high-intent product keywords and a robust local SEO effort to dominate the Maps Pack for foot traffic. Johnson details advanced tactics like a universal URL structure to combat product cannibalization and long-range targeting of consumers in surrounding states.

Ben Foster of Steady Demand, a Google Business Profile (GBP) product expert, explores the critical role of GBP, which can account for up to 70% of a local business's revenue and is linked to paid media like Local Services Ads.

Foster details his journey from web development to specializing in local SEO after the deprecation of Google+. His core philosophy is an "entity-first" strategy, which means providing the database (Google/AI) with the correct semantic and contextual information about a business.

Ben also shares a four-step strategy for managing a business's entity association, which involves actively searching for brand reviews, analyzing the sentiment overview, identifying negative citations, and using "positive and negative reinforcement" (feedback) to effectively retrain the Large Language Models (LLMs) that interpret a brand's holistic image.

Frank Watson, aka "Aussie Webmaster," provided a comprehensive look at the evolution of search, spanning from the pre-engine days of the Yahoo! directory and the inception of Google's PageRank to the current landscape.

He stressed that while AI tools like Performance Max (PMax) have revolutionized PPC, human strategy remains essential for specific keyword selection and creating impactful Calls-to-Action.

Watson firmly believes SEO is not dead and advocated for "engaging knowledgeably with the algorithm" rather than manipulation. He also highlighted the significant challenge of declining user trust in search results and the urgent need for a "Compliance AI Tool" in highly regulated fields.

Brady Madden offers insights on the relationship between AI, Local SEO, and online reputation. The core message is that while AI, such as Large Language Models (LLMs), is an efficiency tool for tasks like content brainstorming, it requires mandatory human editing to ensure brand voice, accuracy, and "SEO Search Empathy." For local businesses,

Google Maps and a fully built-out Google Business Profile (GBP) remain the most critical platforms. However, to rank in AI recommendations, the focus is shifting to off-page SEO signals, including brand mentions, sentiment on platforms like Reddit, and local community activities.

Above all, reputation is paramount, as LLMs scrape reviews from all sources to ensure they recommend the most honest and trustworthy service providers, making consistent service quality and high-velocity, high-quality reviews vital for search visibility.

Joy Hawkins outlines the critical shifts in local SEO, emphasizing that Google Reviews are the Undisputed #1 Factor. Reviews are now considered "table stakes" for all SEO and ad return on investment (ROI).

The core strategy centers on hitting the 10-review threshold for an immediate ranking boost, prioritizing the recency and velocity of new reviews, incentivizing front-line staff to collect them, and encouraging customers to include keywords in their feedback.

Beyond reviews, On-Page SEO remains foundational, as the website is a core asset. It requires dedicated pages for every single service to clearly signal offerings to Google, for example, creating separate pages for "Ant Control" and "Wasp Removal" instead of a single page for "Pest Control."

Conversely, many old strategies are now deprecated. Citations are considered "almost not important at all," and backlinks are largely ineffective for moving local pack rankings; businesses should focus their time on only a dozen high-traffic directories.