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What happens when your career ends but your life continues? The Mental Men, Andy Kang, Pat Rice, Chris Gordon, Dennis Sweeney, and Bob Cherney return in this deeply personal exploration of retirement, identity, and finding purpose beyond the job that defined you.

Bob Cherney, recently retired after decades as a therapist, shares his raw experience of waking up each morning still feeling "there's supposed to be stuff I'm supposed to do." This sentiment resonates powerfully with the group of mental health professionals who've dedicated their lives to helping others through crisis and trauma. Their conversation reveals the unexpected challenges of this transition – from the alarming statistic that 20% of first responders develop serious medical conditions within a year of retirement to the profound identity crisis that can follow when the uniform comes off.

The discussion delves into how retirement resembles a grief process – mourning not just the job itself but a way of being in the world. As Dennis reflects, it requires "acceptance of what we can or cannot do" while acknowledging "the grief of what you've lost." For professionals accustomed to emergency response and crisis intervention, the absence of that adrenaline and purpose creates a void that requires intentional filling.

Yet within these challenges lie opportunities for growth. The group shares strategies that have helped them navigate this transition: developing hobbies before retirement, volunteering in new contexts, maintaining social connections, and perhaps most importantly – staying curious. As Pat beautifully puts it, "The Fountain of Youth is composed of two elements: keep your legs as strong as you can and stay curious." This curiosity – this willingness to try new things and engage with life in fresh ways – emerges as perhaps the most powerful tool for navigating life's later chapters.

Whether you're approaching retirement, supporting someone who is, or simply interested in how we maintain purpose and meaning throughout life's transitions, this conversation offers wisdom, humor, and practical insights from those walking the path. Join us for this powerful exploration of what it means to redefine yourself when the career that shaped your identity comes to an end.

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Strength isn't the absence of weakness—it's how we transform our challenges into growth. In this riveting conversation with leadership coach and author Becky Schmooke, we explore stoic philosophy as a misunderstood yet powerful tool for navigating life's inevitable obstacles.

Becky shares her personal journey of using stoicism to overcome a twenty-year battle with bulimia, developing the STOA framework (Success, Targets, Obstacles/Opportunities, Action steps) that now helps everyone from executives to NFL players and first responders navigate high-pressure situations. Far from the emotionless stereotype, stoicism emerges as a practice of emotional awareness without emotional control.

"Leadership is a lifestyle, not a job title," Becky emphasizes, challenging conventional hierarchies with her SAFE framework that builds genuine capability rather than superficial "show muscles." Her approach transforms organizations from having "a team and a leader" to fostering "a team of leaders"—a critical distinction for environments where split-second decisions matter.

The Japanese art of kintsugi—repairing broken pottery with gold—becomes a powerful metaphor for resilience throughout our discussion. When we acknowledge our breaks rather than hiding them, we become stronger precisely where we were once vulnerable. This principle applies powerfully to trauma recovery, offering a path beyond mere survival to genuine transformation.

Whether you're leading a team, recovering from trauma, or simply trying to navigate life's complexities with more grace, Becky's practical frameworks provide immediate, actionable insights. Her husband, a fire captain, uses these same principles during emergency calls, demonstrating their real-world effectiveness under pressure.

Ready to choose the handle that holds? Join us for this enlightening conversation about stoicism, leadership, and the art of transforming obstacles into opportunities for growth. Find Becky's book "Choose the Handle that Holds" here and connect with her mindfulness retreats at www.beckyschmooke.com.

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Bruce Wasser shares his journey of losing his father at age 15 and how this profound loss shaped his decision to become a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War and ultimately led to his 33-year teaching career.

• Growing up in Seattle with his father Joe, a WWII veteran who instilled values of teamwork, equality, and community
• Devastating loss of his father to cancer just 14 months after diagnosis when Bruce was only 15
• Becoming an overachiever in school and sports as a response to grief
• Drawing the draft lottery number 90 during Vietnam and applying for conscientious objector status
• Finding surrogate father figures in coaches, professors, and public figures like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
• Discovering his calling as a teacher where he could identify and connect with students who were hurting
• Experiencing what his wife calls "post-traumatic growth" – becoming more empathetic through trauma
• Suggestions for grieving on Father's Day: share grief with others, write letters to your father, find meaningful places

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What happens when the strongest among us need support? In this powerful conversation, Elizabeth Ecklund takes us on an extraordinary journey from fighting fires in Antarctica to fighting stigma in mental health. As someone with 15 years of experience spanning firefighting, emergency medical services, and nursing, Elizabeth brings a rare perspective to the critical conversation about first responder mental health.

The stigma surrounding mental health in emergency services creates a dangerous paradox: those who routinely face trauma are often the least likely to seek help. Elizabeth articulates this challenge with striking clarity, drawing from her own experiences to illuminate why cultural competency matters so deeply when providing therapy to first responders. "They don't know how to deal with their grief," she explains, highlighting how traditional coping mechanisms within emergency services—dark humor, emotional detachment, peer discussions—often fall short of addressing cumulative trauma.

Her adventures at the South Pole provide not just fascinating stories—from living with three twenty-somethings in cramped quarters to experiencing oxygen saturation levels of 82% at 12,000 feet elevation—but metaphors for resilience in extreme conditions. Like the South Pole's challenging environment, the mental landscape of emergency work requires specialized knowledge and adaptation strategies that standard approaches may miss.

Through MindForge Therapy Group, Elizabeth has created a sanctuary where first responders can speak freely without fear of judgment or misunderstanding. Her approach acknowledges the unique needs of this population, incorporating humor and practical interventions that "don't feel like therapy." Most importantly, she recognizes that addressing these mental health needs impacts not just individual well-being but team safety, family relationships, and ultimately, the communities these heroes serve.

Whether you're a first responder seeking understanding, a mental health professional wanting to better serve this population, or simply someone fascinated by human resilience in extraordinary circumstances, this conversation offers valuable insights into bridging the gap between emergency services and effective mental health support. Listen now to discover how one woman's remarkable journey from firefighting to therapy is helping heroes heal.

To contact Elizabeth, go to www.mindforgetherapy.com

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Steve Bisson welcomes Cyndi Doyle, licensed professional counselor, retired police spouse, and founder of Code for Couples, to discuss the unique challenges faced by first responder relationships and strategies for building resilience.

• Meeting Cyndi Doyle - licensed professional counselor specializing in first responder relationships for over 20 years
• Understanding the "married but single" phenomenon that many first responder spouses experience
• Recognizing grief in relationships when expectations don't match reality
• How hypervigilance affects communication and connection at home
• The importance of perspective-taking to reduce resentment
• Standing in your partner's shoes to understand their experience
• Changing the narrative we tell ourselves about our relationships
• Finding gratitude amid the challenges of first responder life
• How unspoken traumas create both protection and distance
• Learning to listen rather than just hear your partner

Find Cyndi Doyle at code4couples.com

On social media @code4couples

Get her book "Hold the Line: The Essential Guide to Protecting Your Law Enforcement Relationship" at any online retailer.

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The walls we build to protect ourselves from trauma can become our prisons. This powerful truth emerges as Dr. Charlie Powell returns to share groundbreaking developments with his "Healing Heroes: No Mind Left Behind" documentary, now evolving from a television series into a theatrical release scheduled for November 11th.

Charlie takes us deep into the intricate relationship between PTSD and addiction, revealing how these conditions often share the same root causes. "Most cases of PTSD don't start in adulthood," he explains, sharing his personal revelation that despite decades in military service and trauma medicine, some of his most significant healing came from addressing a childhood near-drowning experience. This perspective shatters conventional understanding of trauma, suggesting that many of our adult struggles trace back to moments where life came at us "too fast, too much, and too soon."

The conversation ventures into uncomfortable but vital territory as Charlie and Steve discuss how trauma survivors' silence impacts relationships. "The silence that you put your partner through," Steve notes, "may not seem like verbal abuse or trauma, but it is." Charlie takes this further with a provocative comparison: this withdrawal can be as damaging as infidelity, representing a loss of faith in the partner's ability to handle the truth of your experience.

Most powerfully, Charlie shares his initial reluctance and eventual decision to make his personal story central to the documentary. "People think vulnerability is a weakness. It's not. It's a strength," he explains, challenging the stigma that keeps many first responders and veterans from seeking help. This vulnerability has already resonated deeply—the documentary's first trailer garnered an astounding 4 million views in just three and a half days.

For anyone struggling with trauma's grip, this conversation offers not just insight but tangible hope. Charlie describes how interventions combining multiple healing modalities helped six veterans and first responders achieve transformative recovery in just ten days—freedom from both PTSD symptoms and associated addictions many had developed to cope. As Charlie puts it: "Challenge anybody out there—imagine the biggest accomplishments you've ever had in life and tell me which one was easy." Perhaps our greatest traumas, properly processed, can lead to our greatest growth.

Ready to see trauma recovery differently? Listen now, and watch for the new Healing Heroes trailer dropping this Memorial Day.

Here is the trailer for "Healing Heroes: No Mind Left Behind" Season 1: https://youtu.be/16bnQ7eVKKI?si=46VOPpo1fLq_WB9o

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The weight of witnessing trauma daily doesn't just disappear when the uniform comes off. For our first responders—those who run toward danger while others flee—the psychological impact accumulates silently, often with devastating consequences.

Beth Salmo, licensed professional counselor and owner of Thin Line Counseling, joins us to unveil the realities of mental health in emergency services. Drawing from her specialized experience working with police officers, firefighters, paramedics, and military personnel, Beth shares how the profession's culture of stoicism creates barriers to necessary care. Her journey into this work—sparked by the alcohol-related death of a former partner who was an ATF agent—reveals how even those trained to help others often struggle to seek help themselves.

We dive deep into the misconceptions that keep first responders from therapy doors. "They can't take my gun" and "my department will find out" top the list of fears Beth dispels with clarity and compassion. She explains the iron-clad confidentiality that protects client-therapist relationships and how specialized clinicians understand the unique culture and challenges of emergency service work.

The Missouri First Responder Provider Network emerges as a model program, connecting those in need with culturally competent therapists within days rather than the weeks or months typical of standard mental health services. This network of vetted professionals not only understands first responder culture but also provides financial assistance to ensure access regardless of economic barriers.

Through authentic conversation peppered with unfiltered language that mirrors real first responder culture, Beth emphasizes that true strength lies in acknowledging human vulnerability. For those running toward danger every day, mental well-being isn't optional—it's essential maintenance that ensures they can continue serving when others need them most.

You can connect with Beth through Thin Line Counseling by visiting www.tlc-help.com

Follow her on Facebook www.facebook.com/thinlinecounselingservices and Instagram @tlc_help.

She can be reached at beth@tlc-help.com or at 314.297.0331

The Missouri First Responder Provider Network can be reached here: https://mofrpn.org/

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The journey from outward success to inner collapse—and the path back to authentic living—takes center stage in this compelling conversation with Nick Jonsson, international bestselling author and executive coach.

Nick's story begins with transformation through adversity when a motorcycle accident in his twenties forced him from construction work to academia, eventually propelling him up the corporate ladder in Southeast Asia. Yet reaching the executive summit—complete with five-story house, drivers, and staff—marked not fulfillment but the beginning of his fall. "That was when I was the most ungrateful and sort of unhappy ever in my life," Nick reveals with striking candor.

What followed was a three-year spiral into alcoholism, isolation, and despair as Nick traded his gym membership for a bar stool and healthy habits for fast food. His powerful description of addiction as "slow, gradual suicide" highlights how corporate culture often enables destructive behaviors while simultaneously isolating those suffering. As Nick explains, executives—particularly expatriates—face unique challenges navigating cultural differences while maintaining authentic connections.

The conversation takes a powerful turn when Nick shares how vulnerability became his salvation. Opening up to his now-second wife began his recovery journey, while losing a friend to suicide in 2019 inspired his book "Executive Loneliness." Today, seven years sober, Nick leads support groups for men and senior executives, creating safe spaces where vulnerability becomes strength rather than weakness.

Most compelling is Nick's transformation from success-driven executive to authentic human being. Now pursuing therapy credentials to specialize in addiction recovery, he shares how sports replaced alcohol as his connection medium—allowing this self-described introvert to build genuine relationships through side-by-side activities rather than face-to-face confrontation.

Whether you're navigating leadership challenges, questioning conventional success metrics, or supporting someone through addiction, this episode offers profound insights into the power of authentic connection and the courage to show up as your true self.

To reach Nick, go to his website: http://www.nickjonsson.com

You can also find all his links at http://podfol.io/profile/nick-jonsson

His book "Executive Loneliness" can be purchased at http://www.nickjonsson.com/executive-loneliness-book

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