In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Jake McKenzie, VP of Membership & Community Engagement for PAC (Pro Athlete Community). Jake’s journey from foster care and instability to becoming one of the most trusted leaders helping pro athletes transition into life beyond sports is powerful and deeply human.

Jake opens up about his early upbringing, the identity battles that came with leaving football, and how vulnerability became his greatest strength. He explains the heart behind PAC and the “new locker room” they’re building—one designed to give current and former pros a space to grow, connect, and rediscover their purpose.

This conversation is full of insight for athletes navigating transition, parents raising resilient kids, and coaches trying to develop true leaders. Jake breaks down why values matter, how to train mental toughness through hard things, and what it looks like to carry your intangibles into the next chapter of life.

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Super Bowl Champion and 13-year NFL veteran Rodney McLeod joins host Chris Spencer on The Intangible Podcast to talk about the intangibles that fueled his career—from going undrafted to hoisting the Lombardi Trophy with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Rodney opens up about his upbringing in D.C., lessons in leadership and composure, the faith and family foundation that grounded him, and his transition into life after football—now as an ESPN SEC analyst and co-founder of the Change Our Future Foundation with his wife, Erika.

This conversation dives deep into the mindset behind longevity, the importance of education in the NIL era, and how athletes can build purpose beyond the game. Whether you’re an athlete, parent, or coach, this one’s a masterclass on character, patience, and personal growth.

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Former Alabama wide receiver Mac Hereford joins The Intangible Podcast to unpack what it’s really like to grind your way into Nick Saban’s program — and how that experience shaped his mindset beyond football.

From waking up at 4:30 AM to catch passes in front of D1 scouts, to earning his spot on one of the greatest college football teams ever, Mac reveals the discipline, faith, and character that carried him through it all.

This episode dives deep into mental toughness, leadership, and the transferable skills athletes can carry into life after sports. Whether you’re an athlete, a parent, or a coach — this one’s packed with lessons on work ethic, confidence, and keeping the main thing the main thing.

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What happens when the game ends — but your purpose is just beginning?
In this powerful episode of The Intangible Podcast, former Tennessee defensive back Derrick Furlow Jr. joins host Chris Spencer to talk about the real work that begins after the final whistle.

Derrick opens up about growing up in southwest Atlanta, finding football as his escape, and how a devastating ACL injury forced him to face a bigger question: Who am I outside the game?
Now an author, speaker, and entrepreneur, Derrick has dedicated his life to helping athletes navigate transition, mental health, and leadership with intention and purpose.

From walking on at Tennessee to earning two degrees in four years, Derrick’s journey is a masterclass in resilience, mindset, and service over self.

If you’re an athlete, coach, or parent wondering what separates the good from the great — this conversation is for you.

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From walk-on to Pro Bowler — Marc Mariani’s story is pure grit. In this episode of The Intangible Podcast hosted by former NFL center Chris Spencer, Marc opens up about growing up in small-town Montana, walking on at the University of Montana, and earning his way to the NFL as a seventh-round pick of the Tennessee Titans.

Marc shares how his underdog mentality, love for the process, and relentless competitive fire took him from being 5’5”, 95 pounds in high school to becoming a Pro Bowl return specialist. He dives into how lessons from his Montana roots shaped his work ethic, how he bounced back from a career-altering injury, and why he still approaches life, business, and fatherhood with that same “win the day” mindset.

This episode is for every young athlete, parent, and coach who believes effort, attitude, and resilience matter more than stats.

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Former NFL guard Andy Levitre joins Chris Spencer on The Intangible Podcast for a real, down-to-earth conversation about hard work, discipline, and what it takes to build a career that lasts.

From weighing 340 pounds in high school to becoming a second-round NFL draft pick, Andy’s story is all about the grind — transforming his body, outworking the odds, and learning from teammates like Matt Ryan and Ryan Fitzpatrick along the way.

He opens up about his journey from Oregon State to the Super Bowl, the challenges of injuries and transitions, and what he’s learned about identity and purpose beyond football.

If you’re a young athlete, parent, or coach, this one hits home — because Andy’s success wasn’t about talent alone. It was built on effort, consistency, and the intangibles that last long after the final whistle.

🎙️ Listen now to discover what’s behind the mindset that took Andy from small-town California to the NFL trenches.

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In this episode of The Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Kate Pettersen — a two-sport athlete turned broadcaster who’s covered the Edmonton Oilers, Nashville Predators, and now the Vancouver Canucks. From growing up in Toronto with a pro football dad and a mom who modeled resilience, to her breakout moment at the 2010 Vancouver Olympics, Kate’s story is about passion, preparation, and finding her voice in the world of sports media.

Kate opens up about the grind behind the broadcast booth, breaking through the “one-word answer” culture in hockey interviews, and what it takes to earn trust from athletes like Connor McDavid and Sidney Crosby. She also shares personal lessons from family loss, her volunteer work in Nashville, and the intangible qualities — passion, drive, foundation, and work ethic — that fuel her career.

Whether you’re a young athlete, coach, hockey fan, or aspiring reporter, this conversation gives you a rare behind-the-scenes look at the preparation, pressure, and perseverance that define life at rinkside.

🎧 Listen in and take away the mindset shifts that can elevate both performance and life.

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In this episode we're joined by former NFL offensive lineman Jamil Douglas for an honest and inspiring conversation about the grind of football and the lessons it leaves behind.

Jamil opens up about growing up in Compton and Cypress, his first love for basketball, and how the influence of his late brother gave him a deeper sense of purpose that carried him onto the football field. He reflects on the challenges of learning the offensive line at Arizona State, the pressure of Draft Day, and the ups and downs of a career that took him through Miami, New England, and Tennessee.

Along the way, he shares how self-doubt and constant roster moves tested his love for the game, why Mike Vrabel’s blunt question—“Do you love football?”—changed everything, and how sports psychology helped him rebuild his confidence and approach to the game.

Now, life after football looks different, but the lessons remain the same. Through his own podcast For The Underdogs, Jamil continues to share stories of resilience and authenticity, proving that the intangibles he built in the trenches go far beyond the field.

If you’re a young athlete, a parent, or a coach looking for insight into what it really takes to succeed and transition at the highest level, this episode offers wisdom you won’t want to miss.

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