In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Jake McKenzie, VP of Membership & Community Engagement for PAC (Pro Athlete Community). Jake’s journey from foster care and instability to becoming one of the most trusted leaders helping pro athletes transition into life beyond sports is powerful and deeply human.

Jake opens up about his early upbringing, the identity battles that came with leaving football, and how vulnerability became his greatest strength. He explains the heart behind PAC and the “new locker room” they’re building—one designed to give current and former pros a space to grow, connect, and rediscover their purpose.

This conversation is full of insight for athletes navigating transition, parents raising resilient kids, and coaches trying to develop true leaders. Jake breaks down why values matter, how to train mental toughness through hard things, and what it looks like to carry your intangibles into the next chapter of life.

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Super Bowl Champion and 13-year NFL veteran Rodney McLeod joins host Chris Spencer on The Intangible Podcast to talk about the intangibles that fueled his career—from going undrafted to hoisting the Lombardi Trophy with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Rodney opens up about his upbringing in D.C., lessons in leadership and composure, the faith and family foundation that grounded him, and his transition into life after football—now as an ESPN SEC analyst and co-founder of the Change Our Future Foundation with his wife, Erika.

This conversation dives deep into the mindset behind longevity, the importance of education in the NIL era, and how athletes can build purpose beyond the game. Whether you’re an athlete, parent, or coach, this one’s a masterclass on character, patience, and personal growth.

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Former Alabama wide receiver Mac Hereford joins The Intangible Podcast to unpack what it’s really like to grind your way into Nick Saban’s program — and how that experience shaped his mindset beyond football.

From waking up at 4:30 AM to catch passes in front of D1 scouts, to earning his spot on one of the greatest college football teams ever, Mac reveals the discipline, faith, and character that carried him through it all.

This episode dives deep into mental toughness, leadership, and the transferable skills athletes can carry into life after sports. Whether you’re an athlete, a parent, or a coach — this one’s packed with lessons on work ethic, confidence, and keeping the main thing the main thing.

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⭐️ If you enjoyed this conversation, don’t forget to rate, review, and share the podcast—it helps us bring more athlete stories to life.

This episode was sponsored by The Legacy Group and Jim Candella, Senior Vice President with UBS Financial Services in their Frankin, TN office.

https://advisors.ubs.com/ubslegacy/