“Do not worry” (Matthew 6:25).

Worry is so familiar that we often treat it as inevitable – yet Jesus gives us a direct command not to. His words aren’t a cold prohibition but a gracious invitation to trust the Father’s love and care for us.

In this episode, Haley and Dustin dive into Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 6 to unpack the difference between worry and healthy concern. Along the way, they share biblical insights for finding peace in anxious times and introduce four types of “worry-ers” to help you recognize patterns in your own life.

Whatever burdens you’re carrying today, may this conversation help you find peace and strengthen your trust in the Lord.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more

(00:00) Navigating Worry

(05:51) Overcoming Worry With Faith

(13:20) Navigating Worry Through God's Care

(26:09) Finding Hope in Worst-Case Scenarios

(39:06) Embracing Healthy Concern and Trusting God

(48:49) Embracing God's Faithfulness Over Worry

(54:09) Trusting in God Through Prayer

Hope for the Heart resources.

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Matthew 6:25-34 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Can anyone of you by worrying add a single hour to your life? 28“And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”

In this special extended episode, Haley and Dustin sit down with former Secret Service Agent Darin Kinder, who was just 100 yards away when the planes struck the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001.

In this powerful conversation, Darin walks us through that tragic day — what he saw, what he felt, and how God sustained him through the chaos. Along the way, we unpack how his experience sheds light on key biblical principles for our lives today.

We discuss the emotional and spiritual aftermath of 9/11 and how the Lord led him to share his story and start Fierce Faith Ministries after serving in the Secret Service for over 20 years.

Darin also shares about his new book, Bury Me in a Dirty Suit, its key themes, and what it means to live with “valiant purpose.” Darin’s testimony of courage and resilience is a powerful reminder of God’s presence in life’s darkest valleys.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more

(03:49) - Eternal Hope and Unexpected Opportunities

(12:48) - September 11

(18:45) - Brotherhood and Courage on 9/11

(27:43) - Escape From the World Trade Center

(36:47) - Acts of Kindness in Chaos

(44:48) - Unanswered Prayers, Obedience, and Men's Ministry

(47:12) - Bury Me in a Dirty Suit

(58:45) - Valiant Purpose and Faith Journey

(01:09:28) - Living by Faith and Purpose

(01:13:37) - Stepping Into the Unknown

(01:23:06) - Stepping Into Valiant Purpose

Darin Kinder resources

Get Darin’s book, Bury Me in a Dirty Suit: Discovering Man's Valiant Purpose in the Aftermath of 9/11 — tinyurl.com/22meaubk

Learn more about Darin Kinder and Fierce Faith Ministries — https://www.fierce-faith.com

Hope for the Heart resources

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Proverbs 16:9 – The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps.

John 8:12 – When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

John 10:27 – “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.”

Ephesians 2:10 – “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”

1 John 4:18 – “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.”

In this episode, we unpack the messy dynamics of codependency – what it is, how it shows up in all kinds of relationships, and how we can fall into unhealthy relationship patterns without realizing it. We look at codependent relationships from both sides: the person who struggles with being overly needy and dependent, and the one who feels the urge to step in, rescue, or be needed. We talk through some of the signs to watch for and why it’s important to ground your identity and worth in Christ rather than in another person or relationship.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means

everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more

(10:12) - Recognizing Codependency in Relationships

(14:36) - Healthy Dependence and Identity in Relationships

(27:03) - Signs and Characteristics of Codependency

(33:37) - Internal and External Causes of Codependency

(42:35) - Dependence on God in Relationships

(48:52) - Healing and Growth in Relationships

(54:49) - Prayer for Overcoming Codependency

Hope for the Heart resources

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance on 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Jeremiah 31:3 -- “I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.”

Romans 5:8 – “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

Romans 8:38-39 – “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

In this replay episode, Haley and Dustin sit down with Chrystal Evans Hurst – author, speaker, coach, and encourager – to hear her story of finding hope in every season of life. From navigating single motherhood and uncertain career paths to stepping unexpectedly into writing, speaking, and ministry, Chrystal shares how God has continually stitched together the puzzle pieces of her life.

She discusses the moments when hope became a reality, how to recognize “the next right thing,” and the importance of trusting God rather than striving to control outcomes. With honesty, wisdom, and encouragement, Chrystal reminds us that God is always in the water – inviting us to jump in, trust Him, and discover the hope that never disappoints.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more

(02:08) Finding Hope in Life's Struggles

(10:59) Choosing to Wrestle With God

(21:31) Discovering Hope and God's Guidance

(30:02) Navigating Stress and Anxiety Through Faith

(35:44) Overcoming Fear and Finding Purpose

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Chrystal Evans Hurst resources

Learn more about Chrystal Evans Hurst’s ministry: https://chrystalevanshurst.com/

Follow Chrystal on her podcast, Sister Circle: https://www.youtube.com/@ChrystalHurst

Hope for the Heart resources.

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Exodus 4:1-5 – “Then Moses answered, “What if they do not believe me or listen to my voice? For they may say, ‘The LORD has not appeared to you.’ ” And the LORD asked him, “What is that in your hand?” “A staff,” he replied. “Throw it on the ground,” said the LORD. So Moses threw it on the ground, and it became a snake, and he ran from it. “Stretch out your hand and grab it by the tail,” the LORD said to Moses, who reached out his hand and caught the snake, and it turned back into a staff in his hand. “This is so that they may believe that the LORD, the God of their fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has appeared to you.”

Romans 5:5 – “And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.”

Romans 8:28 – “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.”

Abandoned at birth and raised in Romanian orphanages, Lucian Mastata knows the pain of rejection, neglect, and loneliness. In this heartfelt conversation, Lucian shares how a chance visit to a Christmas carol service as a teenager introduced him to the hope of Jesus and changed everything.

As he continued to return to church, he discovered that God was not a distant figure but a loving Father who could heal the wounds of his past and give him purpose for the future. We talk about the emotional toll of growing up as an orphan — the shame, stigma, low self-worth, and the healing power of God’s love.

Lucian now leads one of the largest Christian music festivals in Eastern Europe, HeartBeats, creating space for the next generation to encounter Christ in a real and relevant way. His story is one of humility, perseverance, and radical hope. It’s a powerful reminder that no matter what happened in our past, God can redeem any situation.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life, because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more :

(14:49) - Transformation Through Education and Faith

(19:42) - Restoring Dignity and Identity Through Faith

(25:25) - Global Christian Music Festival Expansion

(34:14) - Reaching Youth Through Gospel Music

(40:14) - Global Ministry and Impactful Stories

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Lucian Mustata & HeartBeats resources

Learn more about the HeartBeats Music Festival: https://heartbeats.events/

Hope for the Heart resources :

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance on 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Psalm 68:5 — “A father to the fatherless, a defender of widows, is God in his holy dwelling.”

Heather MacFadyen, host of the widely loved Don’t Mom Alone podcast and the author of two books (Don’t Mom Alone and Right Where You Belong) joins us for an encouraging conversation on motherhood, grief, humility, and grace.

She shares her hope story of when God’s promises became precious to her when both her parents were battling cancer, her father passed away, and she was caring for her mother while raising four young sons. We also talk about the pressures moms face today – to both do it all yet find rest in the Lord. Heather offers a hopeful and grounded alternative, walking us through how to identify and fully occupy our God-given space.

If you’ve ever felt unsure about your purpose or discouraged in your current season of life, this conversation offers practical wisdom and heartfelt encouragement.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more :

(06:29) - Navigating Loss and Finding Hope

(11:42) - Navigating Motherhood With Grace

(18:34) - Mom Guilt, Shame, and Freedom

(26:13) - Trusting God's Assignment and Purpose

(36:57) - Trusting God to Occupy Your Space

(43:00) - Discovering God's Space

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Heather MacFadyen resources

Learn more about Heather MacFadyen: https://heathermacfadyen.com/

Get Heather’s book, Right Where You Belong: https://heathermacfadyen.com/rwyb/

Listen to the Don’t Mom Alone Podcast: https://heathermacfadyen.com/podcast-show/

Listen to Heather’s comedy podcast, Sidetracked:

--Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sidetracked/id1765742489

--Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1xM7stQVnmJIytN1k1X6Ry

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Hope for the Heart resources

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Connect with Hope for the Heart on social!

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/

Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

1 Corinthians 7:17 – “Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them.”

Singleness often carries silent struggles—shame, embarrassment, loneliness, and questions about identity or purpose.

In this episode, Haley opens up about her own journey of navigating singleness throughout different seasons of her life. We discuss how culture and even the church can sometimes elevate marriage as the ultimate goal in life, but God calls each of us—single or married—to something greater. Together, we reflect on God’s ultimate purpose, priority, and plan for our lives, and how to navigate singleness with faith.

We also talk about various misconceptions and experiences of singleness—whether you've never married, divorced, or widowed—and why it’s important to seek God’s guidance for your next step. This is a conversation of grace, honesty, and hope—for anyone navigating singleness or walking alongside someone who is.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more :

(00:00) - Navigating Singleness With Hope

(12:35) - Misconceptions and Heart Reflections

(20:42) - Defining Purpose Beyond Roles and Expectations

(34:31) - Navigating Church Expectations for Singles

(47:05) - Nurturing Hope in Singleness and Marriage

(55:58) - Embracing Singleness With God's Purpose

(01:03:45) - Navigating Singleness and Marriage Realities

(01:11:28) - Finding Hope in Singleness and Marriage

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Hope for the Heart resources

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Connect with Hope for the Heart on social!

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/

Learn more about Hope Talks and catch up on past episodes: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/hopetalks/

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Psalm 37:4 – “Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.”

Romans 8:29 – “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.”

Romans 12:2 – “Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.”