In this special extended episode, Haley and Dustin sit down with former Secret Service Agent Darin Kinder, who was just 100 yards away when the planes struck the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001.

In this powerful conversation, Darin walks us through that tragic day — what he saw, what he felt, and how God sustained him through the chaos. Along the way, we unpack how his experience sheds light on key biblical principles for our lives today.

We discuss the emotional and spiritual aftermath of 9/11 and how the Lord led him to share his story and start Fierce Faith Ministries after serving in the Secret Service for over 20 years.

Darin also shares about his new book, Bury Me in a Dirty Suit, its key themes, and what it means to live with “valiant purpose.” Darin’s testimony of courage and resilience is a powerful reminder of God’s presence in life’s darkest valleys.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more

(03:49) - Eternal Hope and Unexpected Opportunities

(12:48) - September 11

(18:45) - Brotherhood and Courage on 9/11

(27:43) - Escape From the World Trade Center

(36:47) - Acts of Kindness in Chaos

(44:48) - Unanswered Prayers, Obedience, and Men's Ministry

(47:12) - Bury Me in a Dirty Suit

(58:45) - Valiant Purpose and Faith Journey

(01:09:28) - Living by Faith and Purpose

(01:13:37) - Stepping Into the Unknown

(01:23:06) - Stepping Into Valiant Purpose

Darin Kinder resources

Get Darin’s book, Bury Me in a Dirty Suit: Discovering Man's Valiant Purpose in the Aftermath of 9/11 — tinyurl.com/22meaubk

Learn more about Darin Kinder and Fierce Faith Ministries — https://www.fierce-faith.com

Hope for the Heart resources

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Proverbs 16:9 – The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps.

John 8:12 – When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

John 10:27 – “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.”

Ephesians 2:10 – “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”

1 John 4:18 – “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.”

In this episode, we unpack the messy dynamics of codependency – what it is, how it shows up in all kinds of relationships, and how we can fall into unhealthy relationship patterns without realizing it. We look at codependent relationships from both sides: the person who struggles with being overly needy and dependent, and the one who feels the urge to step in, rescue, or be needed. We talk through some of the signs to watch for and why it’s important to ground your identity and worth in Christ rather than in another person or relationship.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means

everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more

(10:12) - Recognizing Codependency in Relationships

(14:36) - Healthy Dependence and Identity in Relationships

(27:03) - Signs and Characteristics of Codependency

(33:37) - Internal and External Causes of Codependency

(42:35) - Dependence on God in Relationships

(48:52) - Healing and Growth in Relationships

(54:49) - Prayer for Overcoming Codependency

Hope for the Heart resources

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance on 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Jeremiah 31:3 -- “I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with unfailing kindness.”

Romans 5:8 – “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

Romans 8:38-39 – “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

In this replay episode, Haley and Dustin sit down with Chrystal Evans Hurst – author, speaker, coach, and encourager – to hear her story of finding hope in every season of life. From navigating single motherhood and uncertain career paths to stepping unexpectedly into writing, speaking, and ministry, Chrystal shares how God has continually stitched together the puzzle pieces of her life.

She discusses the moments when hope became a reality, how to recognize “the next right thing,” and the importance of trusting God rather than striving to control outcomes. With honesty, wisdom, and encouragement, Chrystal reminds us that God is always in the water – inviting us to jump in, trust Him, and discover the hope that never disappoints.

Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.

So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means everything.

Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.

Listen in to learn more

(02:08) Finding Hope in Life's Struggles

(10:59) Choosing to Wrestle With God

(21:31) Discovering Hope and God's Guidance

(30:02) Navigating Stress and Anxiety Through Faith

(35:44) Overcoming Fear and Finding Purpose

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Chrystal Evans Hurst resources

Learn more about Chrystal Evans Hurst’s ministry: https://chrystalevanshurst.com/

Follow Chrystal on her podcast, Sister Circle: https://www.youtube.com/@ChrystalHurst

Hope for the Heart resources.

Learn more and sign up for our fall Hope Together conference: https://hopetogether.com/

Order our newest resource, The Care and Counsel Handbook, providing biblical guidance 100 real-life issues: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/care-and-counsel-handbook

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart

Want to talk with June Hunt on Hope in the Night about a difficult life issue? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night

God’s plan for you: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/gods-plan-for-you/

Give to the ministry of Hope for the Heart: https://raisedonors.com/hopefortheheart/givehope?sc=HTPDON

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Bible verses mentioned in this episode

Exodus 4:1-5 – “Then Moses answered, “What if they do not believe me or listen to my voice? For they may say, ‘The LORD has not appeared to you.’ ” And the LORD asked him, “What is that in your hand?” “A staff,” he replied. “Throw it on the ground,” said the LORD. So Moses threw it on the ground, and it became a snake, and he ran from it. “Stretch out your hand and grab it by the tail,” the LORD said to Moses, who reached out his hand and caught the snake, and it turned back into a staff in his hand. “This is so that they may believe that the LORD, the God of their fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has appeared to you.”

Romans 5:5 – “And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.”

Romans 8:28 – “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.”