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Elena Gilbert is a high school golden girl, used to getting what she wants. And who she wants. But when the boy she's set her sights on - the handsome and haunted Stefan - isn't interested, she's confused. She could never know the real reason Stefan is struggling to resist her: Stefan is a vampire, and Elena's in danger just by being around him. What's more, Stefan's dark, dangerous vampire brother Damon has just arrived in town. And wherever Damon goes, trouble always follows.
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The Better Original
- De Breezybealle en 10-10-17
De: L. J. Smith
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The Invisible Man and The Time Machine
- De: H. G. Wells
- Narrado por: B. J. Harrison
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In The Invisible Man, a scientist theorizes that if a person's refractive index is changed to exactly that of air his body does not absorb or reflect light, then he will not be visible. He successfully carries out this procedure on himself, but cannot become visible again, becoming mentally unstable as a result. In The Time Machine, we follow the Time Traveller to the year 802,701 A.D.. He finds a golden race of small, soft, innocent people. But what is it that lurks in the dark shadows?
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When The Invisible Man ends and The Time Machine begins
- De kíli en 04-08-18
De: H. G. Wells
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Bright of the Sky
- The Entire and the Rose, Book 1
- De: Kay Kenyon
- Narrado por: Christian Rummel
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In a landlocked galaxy that tunnels through our own, the Entire is a bizarre and seductive mix of long-lied quasi-human and alien beings gathered under a sky of fire, called the "bright". A land of wonders, the Entire is sustained by monumental storm walls and an exotic, never-ending river. Over all, the elegant and cruel Tarig rule supreme. Into this rich milieu is thrust Titus Quinn, former star pilot.
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8 hours in, and going no further
- De A reader en 10-02-08
De: Kay Kenyon
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When the Tripods Came
- Tripods Series Prequel (Book 4)
- De: John Christopher
- Narrado por: William Gaminara
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The story of The Tripods was the basis of a popular BBC television series in the 1980s, where humanity has been conquered and enslaved by "the tripods", unseen alien entities that travel about in gigantic three-legged walking machines.
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Okay, but doesn’t live up to the main trilogy
- De Dr F en 02-19-23
De: John Christopher
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The Time Machine and The Island of Doctor Moreau, Unabridged
- H.G. Wells' Classic Collection
- De: H. G. Wells
- Narrado por: Kevin Theis
- Duración: 9 h y 6 m
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Presented is a two-volume collection of Wells' most celebrated classics of science-fiction and horror: The Time Machine and The Island of Doctor Moreau. This audio-enhanced version - with sound effects and musical soundtrack - combines Wells' groundbreaking exploration of time travel with his "youthful blasphemy" tale of animal and human hybrids.
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Classic Stories - Refreshing Narration
- De Daniela Thelen en 12-28-18
De: H. G. Wells
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The Devil Rides Out
- De: Dennis Wheatley
- Narrado por: Nick Mercer
- Duración: 13 h y 17 m
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A classic of the horror genre, Dennis Wheatley’s The Devil Rides Out pits the powers of good against the forces of evil as the Duc de Richelieu wrestles for the soul of his friend with the charming but deadly Satanist, Mocata. Mocata has the power to summon the forces of darkness and - as the Duc and his friends will find - is willing to call upon ever-increasing horror until thundering hooves herald the arrival of the Devil Himself.
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This book is why audio books were created
- De Brandon Sholund en 11-13-23
De: Dennis Wheatley
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A Christmas Journey
- De: Anne Perry
- Narrado por: Terrence Hardiman
- Duración: 3 h y 36 m
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It's Christmas and the well-born guests who have gathered at Applecross for a delicious weekend of relaxation are warmed by roaring fires, mistletoe, and gorgeously wrapped gifts. It's scarcely the setting for misfortune, and no one - not even that clever young aristocrat and budding sleuth Vespasia Cumming-Gould - anticipates the tragedy that is to darken this light-hearted holiday house party. But soon one young woman lies dead, a suicide, and Vespasia must uncover the heartbreaking truth behind the tragedy.
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Never tire of Anne Perry
- De Joan en 12-22-17
De: Anne Perry
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Troubles
- De: J. G. Farrell
- Narrado por: Kevin Hely
- Duración: 15 h y 44 m
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Major Brendan Archer travels to Ireland - to the Majestic Hotel and to the fiancée he acquired on a rash afternoon's leave three years ago. Despite her many letters, the lady herself proves elusive, and the Major's engagement is short-lived. But he is unable to detach himself from the alluring discomforts of the crumbling hotel. Ensconced in the dim and shabby splendour of the Palm Court, surrounded by gently decaying old ladies and proliferating cats, the Major passes the summer.
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Absolutely delightful read
- De E. Kim en 02-25-20
De: J. G. Farrell
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Night Without End
- De: Alistair MacLean
- Narrado por: Jonathan Oliver
- Duración: 10 h y 13 m
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From the acclaimed master of action and suspense. The all-time classic. An airliner crashes in the polar ice cap. In temperatures 40 degrees below zero, six men and four women survive. But for the members of a remote scientific research station who rescue them, there are some sinister questions to answer – the first one being, who shot the pilot before the crash?
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Suspense thriller from 1959
- De Wayne en 06-10-18
De: Alistair MacLean
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The Naming
- The First Book of Pellinor
- De: Alison Croggon
- Narrado por: Eloise Oxer
- Duración: 19 h y 22 m
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Maerad is a slave in a desperate and unforgiving settlement, taken there as a child when her family is destroyed in war. She doesn’t yet know she has inherited a powerful gift, one that marks her as a member of the noble School of Pellinor and enables her to see the world as no other can. It is only when she is discovered by Cadvan, one of the great Bards of Lirigon, that her true identity and extraordinary destiny unfold.
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absolutely enchanting
- De Athemea en 09-05-15
De: Alison Croggon
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Twilight Eyes
- De: Dean Koontz
- Narrado por: Malcolm Hillgartner
- Duración: 17 h y 6 m
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They're out there...waiting...watching. Unseen by normal eyes, but all too visible to Slim MacKenzie, a young man blessed - or cursed - by Twilight Eyes.
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Highly Entertaining
- De Doc (Joe) Watson en 11-04-08
De: Dean Koontz
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Beyond Apollo
- De: Barry N. Malzberg
- Narrado por: Thomas Fawley
- Duración: 6 h y 9 m
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Beyond Apollo, winner of the John Campbell Award, finds Harry Evans as the lone survivor of the first Venus expedition, a space journey that went disastrously wrong. But no one knows the reason behind the tragedy.
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A Case of Conscience
- De: James Blish
- Narrado por: Jay Snyder
- Duración: 8 h y 1 m
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Father Ruiz-Sanchez is a dedicated man - a priest who is also a scientist, and a scientist who is also a human being. He has found no insoluble conflicts in his beliefs or his ethics...until he is sent to Lithia. There he comes upon a race of aliens who are admirable in every way except for their total reliance on cold reason; they are incapable of faith or belief. Confronted with a profound scientific riddle and ethical quandary, Father Ruiz-Sanchez soon finds himself torn.
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Moldy Oldie still gets it done
- De Bob V. en 03-22-09
De: James Blish
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Downward to the Earth
- De: Robert Silverberg
- Narrado por: Bronson Pinchot
- Duración: 7 h y 9 m
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Gundersen returns to Holman’s World seeking atonement for his harsh years as colonial governor. But now this lush, exotic planet of mystery is called by its ancient name of Belzagor, and it belongs once again to its native alien races, the nildoror and the sulidoror. Drawn by its spell, Gundersen begins a harrowing pilgrimage to its mist-shrouded north to witness a strange ritual rebirth that will alter him forever.
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A fantastic adaptation of Heart of darkness
- De David Kent Watson en 08-13-17
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Electric Forest
- De: Tanith Lee
- Narrado por: Susan Duerden
- Duración: 5 h y 27 m
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In the futuristic world of Indigo, reproduction is controlled by the government, guaranteeing that every baby is happy, healthy, and beautiful. But mistakes happen, and a rare few babies are accidentally born biologically, like Magdala Cled. Because of her natural-born features, Magdala is an outcast in society - abandoned at birth, abused in the orphanage she grew up in, and branded with the cruel name "Ugly." But Magdala's world turns upside down when she's approached by Claudio Loro, a wealthy scientist who has created a beautiful artificial body.
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Incredible ending!!!
- De AppleADay en 11-10-23
De: Tanith Lee
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Past Master
- De: R.A. Lafferty, Andrew Ferguson - introduction
- Narrado por: Matthew Waterson
- Duración: 6 h y 34 m
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Plucked from time, Sir Thomas More arrives on the human colony of Astrobe in the year AD 2535, where there is trouble in utopia: Can he and his motley followers save this golden world from the Programmed Persons, and the soulless perfection they have engineered? The survival of faith itself is at stake in this thrilling, uncategorizable, wildly inventive first novel - but the adventure is more than one of ideas. As astonishingly as Philip K. Dick and other visionaries of the 1960s new wave, Lafferty turns the conventions of space-opera science fiction upside down and inside out.
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confusing prose
- De Slothflyer en 02-07-20
De: R.A. Lafferty, y otros
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Blindsight
- De: Peter Watts
- Narrado por: T. Ryder Smith
- Duración: 11 h y 47 m
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Set in 2082, Peter Watts' Blindsight is fast-moving, hard SF that pulls readers into a futuristic world where a mind-bending alien encounter is about to unfold. After the Firefall, all eyes are locked heavenward as a team of specialists aboard the self-piloted spaceship Theseus hurtles outbound to intercept an unknown intelligence.
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Gothic Horror Hard Science Fiction
- De Doug D. Eigsti en 06-24-15
De: Peter Watts
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Beyond Apollo
- De: Barry N. Malzberg
- Narrado por: Thomas Fawley
- Duración: 6 h y 9 m
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Beyond Apollo, winner of the John Campbell Award, finds Harry Evans as the lone survivor of the first Venus expedition, a space journey that went disastrously wrong. But no one knows the reason behind the tragedy.
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A Case of Conscience
- De: James Blish
- Narrado por: Jay Snyder
- Duración: 8 h y 1 m
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Father Ruiz-Sanchez is a dedicated man - a priest who is also a scientist, and a scientist who is also a human being. He has found no insoluble conflicts in his beliefs or his ethics...until he is sent to Lithia. There he comes upon a race of aliens who are admirable in every way except for their total reliance on cold reason; they are incapable of faith or belief. Confronted with a profound scientific riddle and ethical quandary, Father Ruiz-Sanchez soon finds himself torn.
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Moldy Oldie still gets it done
- De Bob V. en 03-22-09
De: James Blish
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Downward to the Earth
- De: Robert Silverberg
- Narrado por: Bronson Pinchot
- Duración: 7 h y 9 m
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Gundersen returns to Holman’s World seeking atonement for his harsh years as colonial governor. But now this lush, exotic planet of mystery is called by its ancient name of Belzagor, and it belongs once again to its native alien races, the nildoror and the sulidoror. Drawn by its spell, Gundersen begins a harrowing pilgrimage to its mist-shrouded north to witness a strange ritual rebirth that will alter him forever.
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A fantastic adaptation of Heart of darkness
- De David Kent Watson en 08-13-17
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Electric Forest
- De: Tanith Lee
- Narrado por: Susan Duerden
- Duración: 5 h y 27 m
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In the futuristic world of Indigo, reproduction is controlled by the government, guaranteeing that every baby is happy, healthy, and beautiful. But mistakes happen, and a rare few babies are accidentally born biologically, like Magdala Cled. Because of her natural-born features, Magdala is an outcast in society - abandoned at birth, abused in the orphanage she grew up in, and branded with the cruel name "Ugly." But Magdala's world turns upside down when she's approached by Claudio Loro, a wealthy scientist who has created a beautiful artificial body.
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Incredible ending!!!
- De AppleADay en 11-10-23
De: Tanith Lee
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Past Master
- De: R.A. Lafferty, Andrew Ferguson - introduction
- Narrado por: Matthew Waterson
- Duración: 6 h y 34 m
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Plucked from time, Sir Thomas More arrives on the human colony of Astrobe in the year AD 2535, where there is trouble in utopia: Can he and his motley followers save this golden world from the Programmed Persons, and the soulless perfection they have engineered? The survival of faith itself is at stake in this thrilling, uncategorizable, wildly inventive first novel - but the adventure is more than one of ideas. As astonishingly as Philip K. Dick and other visionaries of the 1960s new wave, Lafferty turns the conventions of space-opera science fiction upside down and inside out.
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- De Slothflyer en 02-07-20
De: R.A. Lafferty, y otros
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Blindsight
- De: Peter Watts
- Narrado por: T. Ryder Smith
- Duración: 11 h y 47 m
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Set in 2082, Peter Watts' Blindsight is fast-moving, hard SF that pulls readers into a futuristic world where a mind-bending alien encounter is about to unfold. After the Firefall, all eyes are locked heavenward as a team of specialists aboard the self-piloted spaceship Theseus hurtles outbound to intercept an unknown intelligence.
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Gothic Horror Hard Science Fiction
- De Doug D. Eigsti en 06-24-15
De: Peter Watts
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Roadside Picnic
- De: Arkady Strugatsky, Boris Strugatsky, Olena Bormashenko - translator
- Narrado por: Robert Forster
- Duración: 7 h y 8 m
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Red Schuhart is a stalker, one of those young rebels who are compelled, in spite of extreme danger, to venture illegally into the Zone to collect the mysterious artifacts that the alien visitors left scattered around. His life is dominated by the place and the thriving black market in the alien products. But when he and his friend Kirill go into the Zone together to pick up a "full empty", something goes wrong.
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Gritty, resonant sci-fi classic
- De Ryan en 02-14-13
De: Arkady Strugatsky, y otros
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A Fire Upon the Deep
- De: Vernor Vinge
- Narrado por: Peter Larkin
- Duración: 21 h y 37 m
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A Fire Upon the Deep is the big, breakout book that fulfills the promise of Vinge's career to date: a gripping tale of galactic war told on a cosmic scale. Thousands of years hence, many races inhabit a universe where a mind's potential is determined by its location in space, from superintelligent entities in the Transcend, to the limited minds of the Unthinking Depths, where only simple creatures and technology can function.
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- De Noah Smith en 06-20-10
De: Vernor Vinge
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Overlay
- De: Barry N. Malzberg
- Narrado por: Stefan Rudnicki
- Duración: 5 h y 39 m
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Earth was a planet of incompetents, but Simmons was the greatest loser of all. It seemed as if the powers of the Universe were concentrated on grinding his small soul into ultimate insignificance, until the aliens came. To them, Simmons was the most important human on the planet - for only through his mind could they overcome this world.
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Blood Music
- De: Greg Bear
- Narrado por: George Guidall
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Vergil's innovative experiment restructuring the cells of a common virus becomes a nightmare when, in order to save his research, Vergil injects the entire culture into his bloodstream.
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THOUGHT UNIVERSE
- De Jim "The Impatient" en 08-01-15
De: Greg Bear
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The Dying Earth
- Tales of the Dying Earth, Book 1
- De: Jack Vance
- Narrado por: Arthur Morey
- Duración: 6 h y 41 m
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The stories in The Dying Earth introduce dozens of seekers of wisom and beauty, lovely lost women, wizards of every shade of eccentricity with their runic amulets and spells. We meet the melancholy deodands, who feed on human flesh and the twk-men, who ride dragonflies and trade information for salt. There are monsters and demons. Each being is morally ambiguous: The evil are charming, the good are dangerous. All are at home.
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A Decadent and Hopeful Dying Earth
- De Jefferson en 06-27-10
De: Jack Vance
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Solaris
- The Definitive Edition
- De: Stanislaw Lem, Bill Johnston - translator
- Narrado por: Alessandro Juliani
- Duración: 7 h y 42 m
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At last, one of the world’s greatest works of science fiction is available - just as author Stanislaw Lem intended it. To mark the 50th anniversary of the publication of Solaris, Audible, in cooperation with the Lem Estate, has commissioned a brand-new translation - complete for the first time, and the first ever directly from the original Polish to English. Beautifully narrated by Alessandro Juliani ( Battlestar Galactica), Lem’s provocative novel comes alive for a new generation.
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- De Burns en 09-20-11
De: Stanislaw Lem, y otros
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Night’s Master
- Tales from the Flat Earth, Book One
- De: Tanith Lee
- Narrado por: Susan Duerden
- Duración: 8 h y 29 m
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Long ago when the Earth was flat, beautiful, indifferent Gods lived in the airy Upperearth realm above; curious, passionate demons lived in the exotic Underearth realm below; and mortals were relegated to exist in the middle. Azhrarn, Lord of the Demons and the Darkness, was the one who ruled the night, and many mortal lives were changed because of his cruel whimsy. And yet, Azhrarn held inside his demon heart a profound mystery which would change the very fabric of the Flat Earth forever.
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A gothic fairytale
- De Kat Hooper en 04-10-12
De: Tanith Lee
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High-Rise
- De: J. G. Ballard
- Narrado por: Eric Yves Garcia
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When a class war erupts inside a luxurious apartment block, modern elevators become violent battlegrounds and cocktail parties degenerate into marauding attacks on “enemy” floors. In this visionary tale, human society slips into violent reverse as once-peaceful residents, driven by primal urges, re-create a world ruled by the laws of the jungle.
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Ballard deserves a more competent narrator
- De Christopher en 04-21-14
De: J. G. Ballard
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The Drowned World
- De: J. G. Ballard
- Narrado por: Julian Elfer
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First published in 1962, J.G. Ballard’s mesmerizing and ferociously imaginative novel not only gained him widespread critical acclaim but also established his reputation as one of the finest writers of a generation. The Drowned World imagines a terrifying world in which global warming has melted the ice caps and primordial jungles have overrun a tropical London. Set during the year 2145, this novel follows biologist Dr. Robert Kearns and his team of scientists as they confront a cityscape in which nature is on the rampage and giant lizards, dragonflies, and insects fiercely compete for domination.
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EGO AGAINST ID
- De Jim "The Impatient" en 11-05-16
De: J. G. Ballard
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Burning Chrome
- De: William Gibson
- Narrado por: Jonathan Davis, Dennis Holland, Kevin Pariseau, y otros
- Duración: 7 h y 7 m
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William Gibson's dark visions of computer cowboys, bio-enhanced soldiers of fortune, and hi-tech lowlifes have won unprecedented praise. Included here are some of the most famous short fiction and novellas by the author of Count Zero and Neuromancer.
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- De Jim "The Impatient" en 04-05-14
De: William Gibson
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The Cipher
- De: Kathe Koja
- Narrado por: Joshua Saxon
- Duración: 8 h y 52 m
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Nicholas, a would-be poet, and Nakota, his feral lover, discover a strange hole in the storage room floor down the hall - "Black. Pure black and the sense of pulsation, especially when you look at it too closely, the sense of something not living but alive." It begins with curiosity, a joke - the Funhole down the hall. But then the experiments begin. "Wouldn't it be wild to go down there?" says Nakota. Nicholas says "We're not." But they're not in control, not from the first moment, as those experiments lead to obsession, violence, and a very final transformation.
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An Interesting Book of Weird...
- De Rachael en 04-21-20
De: Kathe Koja
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The Body Scout
- A Novel
- De: Lincoln Michel
- Narrado por: Greg Chun
- Duración: 9 h y 49 m
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In the future you can have any body you want—as long as you can afford it. But in a New York ravaged by climate change and repeat pandemics, Kobo is barely scraping by. He scouts the latest in gene-edited talent for Big Pharma-owned baseball teams, but his own cybernetics are a decade out of date and twin sister loan sharks are banging down his door. Things couldn't get much worse.
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Great sci-fi take on baseball
- De Dave Yerzy en 12-04-21
De: Lincoln Michel
Lo que los oyentes dicen sobre Ice
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- Blake Burkholder
- 02-16-23
Incredible dystopian masterpiece
After reading that Anna influenced Christopher Priest, Ballard, and Brian Aldiss I knew I had to read immediately.
With out a doubt one of the greatest dystopian novels of all time. Highly recommend
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- Joseph Kowalski
- 03-18-20
Difficult both to describe and take in
It's hard to truly review this work, because it's so unlike anything else that I've read or listened to.
Its best attribute is a foggy, dreamlike timeline and setting. It's almost as though the reader is transported to alternate universes at the will of a whim, the same characters reset or in media res in wildly different storylines.
The story, as best can be pinned down, revolves mostly around two horribly abusive and ignorant men waving away the ramifications of the world going into arctic annihilation through their violent and sexual obsession with one woman. It's hard to be in that mindset for its entirety, as we see the young woman infantilized and tortured again and again, sometimes even to the point of death. There seems to be only one ending in which she is happy and it too is ominous.
I admit that this was difficult to get through. It is woefully depressing and repeats the word "ice" with every other sentence. But if you are looking for something to challenge you and give you the most accurate sensation of a bad trip that I've read yet, this may be worth your time.
The narrator does an admirable job given the difficulty of the material. Definitely listen to the afterword, as the author's life is quite fascinating.
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- 02-02-20
Maybe not for everyone - but it's really for me!
I read it twice and did not understand. Listened once and I'm much closer. Embrace the unreality: especially if you already like Kafka.
Listened again and I'm in heaven... hell... the way she captures the subconscious is incredible. Dreamy and vivid, the unreal so real.
Mr. Patterson does a fine job guiding you along and, unlike many readers, injects emotion into his performance without being underdone or forced.
There are few other works I've listened to that match the imagery of Ice, reminiscent of someone like Dante's legendary Inferno.
More than worth it. If you don't get it your first or 2nd time don't be discouraged. I'm really glad I put in the effort on this one.
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- glaza siniy
- 01-22-19
Baffling and hard work
Nigel Patterson as narrator m made me try this book. The story seemed intriguing. Reviews were solid.
Never have I been so alienated by a story. Didn't make it past 6 chapters.
I actually became aggravated by it...most odd.
Just not my cuppa.
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- Haat
- 12-10-22
Reads like a first draft of an amateur fanfic
The audio quality and performance is fine. The story is somewhat interesting toward the end, but the book is very poorly written. It almost entirely disregards the concept of "show, don't tell" and endlessly dumps on you about what the narrator thinks and perceives in first person during any given moment, with very little eloquence.
I'll paraphrase the dreadful style of writing in Ice with a parody that is fairly accurate:
"I went to this place in search of a certain thing. I started to feel a particular feeling, but I also started to feel an altogether contradictory feeling, which was frustrating.Soon after I began to grow tired, so I contemplated rest, but I stumbled upon a sight that had transfixed me due to its resplendent luminescence. It was a nice feeling. However, something about it also wasn't so nice, and I had a hard time understanding why that might be the case."
If that sounds well written to you, then you might really enjoy this book.
Ice has circulated around many lists of top sci-fi, but I strongly suggest steering clear of it because it is neither good sci-fi, nor is it remotely comparable in quality of works by Kafka, to which the book has also been compared. While the increasingly hallucinatory progression of the nearly nonexistent plot provides mildly entertaining moments toward the conclusion, I would recommend getting through the first half hour of this book and then aborting it if you are not enthralled by that point, because it doesn't a whole lot better.
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