In today’s episode, I’m joined by Dr. Curt Thompson, a Four on the Enneagram. We talk about why healing is more than simply treating symptoms, and how our stories, relationships, and wounds can shape our mental health. Curt also explores neuroplasticity, interpersonal neurobiology, and why being deeply seen, known, and loved by others can be such an important part of becoming whole.

Dr. Thompson is a board certified psychiatrist, author, speaker, and co-host of the Being Known Podcast. He is known for beautifully integrating neuroscience, human relationships, and faith. Many people have told me that his books such as The Anatomy of the Soul, The Soul of Shame, and The Soul of Desire have been life-changing.

You can learn more about Dr. Thompson, his podcast, and books at https://curtthompsonmd.com/

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0:20 Welcome

2:00 Curt Thompson's Enneagram Journey

5:50 Life as a Type 4

9:13 Rethinking Mental Health & Healing

24:57 Finding Agency in the Healing Process

31:36 The Long & Difficult Work of Healing

34:04 Why We Guard Against Healing

38:33 Neuroplasticity & the Hope for Change

46:07 What Is Interpersonal Neurobiology?

50:57 A Word for Therapists

53:02 Final Thoughts

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I'm joined by bestselling author, psychotherapist, and The Road Back to You co-author Ian Morgan Cron. While Ian has helped millions of people understand the Enneagram, this conversation is much more personal. Ian shares his own journey through addiction and recovery, why he believes every one of us is somewhere on the addiction continuum, and how our deepest attachments—to work, success, relationships, control, or even our own pain—can quietly shape our mental health. This was one of the most talked-about sessions on my Mental Health Summit and I think it will change the way you think about addiction.

You can find Ian, his best-selling books, Enneagram courses, and new Enneagram assessment at https://ianmorgancron.com/

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0:30 Welcome

2:23 What Is Mental Health?

7:06 Everyone Is on the Addiction Continuum

11:46 Idolatry, Attachment & Addiction

16:22 Hidden Attachments That Shape Us

20:45 The Five-Step Addiction Cycle

29:31 Ian's Story of Addiction & Recovery

36:08 The Enneagram & Our Attachments

45:47 The First Steps Toward Freedom

50:09 Resources from Ian Cron

53:03 Final Thoughts

53:51 Outro

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You may know Greer Grammer from MTV's Awkward, ABC's The Middle, or as the daughter of actor Kelsey Grammer. I sat down with Greer to talk about what it's like to navigate the entertainment industry as an Enneagram Nine. We discuss handling rejection, responding to online criticism, her faith, mental health, and how the Enneagram has helped her better understand herself, her relationships, and her calling as an actress. This is a must-listen to episode if you an Enneagram Nine, an Enneagram coach, or are in relationships with someone who is a Nine.

The best place to follow Greer is on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/greer_grammer. She loves the community she’s built there and loves connecting with people.

0:00 Audio Intro

0:31 Welcome

2:29 Discovering She's a Type 9

7:08 The Superpower of Type 9s

13:04 Feeling Seen in Hollywood

17:52 Handling Criticism & Social Media

29:57 Surviving Hollywood Through Faith

34:28 The Hidden Anger of Type 9s

38:59 Why Hollywood Needs More Type 9s

44:10 Final Thoughts

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