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Live+Work More Human

Live+Work More Human

By: Alexis Zahner & Sally Clarke
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Conversations to inspire expansion and growth.


Welcome to the Live+Work More Human podcast (formerly We Are Human Leaders), Co-hosted by Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke. The home of big ideas, bold conversations and brave questions on all things work, life and leadership.


We focus on what’s novel: new takes on leadership, new research and insights, new ways of looking at things.


We share stories, data, inspiration and insight in conversations designed to spark ‘aha’ moments – and empower you to create change, live and lead authentically, and build workplaces where people thrive.


Join us, and be the change you want to see at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com

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Human Leaders
Career Success Economics Management Management & Leadership Personal Development Personal Success
Episodes
  • A personal update from Alexis and Sally
    Sep 15 2026

    In this short episode with Alexis and Sally, we give you a personal update from us.


    The news is, we're going to be taking a short break from Live+Work More Human for the next few months while we're deep in big projects.


    Alexis is releasing her debut book Real: Reconnecting to Yourself in a World of Likes and Lies (Wiley) this September, and Sally is deep in burnout consultancy working supporting people and organisations from all over the world. What this means is that we can't give you, our community, the full time and attention you deserve through our podcast.


    In the meantime we'll share a few brainsnack episodes from recent conversations, and let you know soon what the next steps look like for us. Please enjoy some of our previous episodes via your favourite streaming platform, on Youtube or right here: liveandworkmorehuman.com


    It's not a goodbye, it's a see you soon!

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    20 mins
  • Brain Snack: How Self Worth is Key to Avoiding Burnout
    Sep 8 2026

    Welcome to Brain Snacks! This tasty morsel of a conversation between your cohosts Alexis and Sally explores how self worth can be a key buffer against burnout. You will learn practical strategies to peel back the layers of influence to understand how to attune to your authentic self.


    Key topics


    • How inherited values impact your thoughts about work and self worth
    • Strategies for aligning to yourself
    • The power of personal values
    • How reconnecting to yourself, and valuing yourself buffers against burnout
    • How leaders can model high self worth for their team


    Learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com

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    10 mins
  • Can Microdosing Awe Help You Reframe Stress?
    Sep 1 2026

    Outrage is loud, exhausting, and — according to your feed — mandatory. But what if the antidote to burnout isn't more hustle, more mindfulness apps, or more optimisation... it's awe?


    This week, hosts Sally Clarke and Alexis Zahner unpack Sally's Fast Company piece on "microdosing awe" — the radical, deceptively simple practice of pausing to notice something vast, and why it might be the most underrated tool in your burnout-prevention kit.


    In this episode


    • Why awe isn't fluffy — it's a nervous-system reset that pulls you out of fight-flight-freeze and into healing mode
    • The psychology of the "small self": why softening your ego (not shrinking yourself) is protective against burnout
    • How awe slots into Sally's BRNT framework (Breathe, Rest, Nourish, Talk) as the connective thread, not a fifth pillar
    • Why we're "saturated with outrage and starved of wonder" — and how algorithms are built to keep it that way
    • Anger is initiatory, not transformative: holding outrage and awe at the same time, not choosing between them
    • Emotional boundaries around what you consume — because nourishment isn't just food, it's your media diet
    • The "stravification" trap: why turning awe into a measurable, optimised habit kills the whole point
    • Practical ways to bring awe into the workplace — team WhatsApp photo threads, opening meetings with an awe share, one-on-one check-ins
    • Sally's five straight days of sensory overload in the Amazon jungle, and what it taught her about resetting perspective back home

    Key takeaways


    • Awe = an automatic nervous-system regulator. You don't have to "think" your way to calm — your body can get you there in seconds.
    • You don't need Kilimanjaro. A sunset, a dog in the park, a piece of music — the size of the moment doesn't matter, the noticing does.
    • The "small self" isn't about being less — it's about stepping out of ego so you can see your problems (and yourself) more clearly.
    • Outrage and awe aren't opposites. You can be furious about broken systems and still let wonder ground you — one doesn't cancel the other out.
    • Urgency culture is profitable, not accidental. Outrage drives engagement — recognising that removes the self-blame.
    • Nourishment includes your media diet. What you scroll shapes your nervous system as much as what you eat.
    • Don't gamify awe. The second you're tracking "awe points," you've lost the plot — this is the opposite of a metrics game.
    • Bring it to work in small doses: open a meeting with an awe share, start a team photo thread, ask "what impressed you lately?" in a 1:1.
    • Awe is a courageous, almost radical act in a culture that rewards visible exhaustion — doing it anyway is the point.

    Links & mentions


    • Sally's article on microdosing awe is out via Fast Company — find the link and more of Sally's writing at salcla.com
    • Sally's BRNT framework (Breathe, Rest, Nourish, Talk) — explored across her books and workshops
    • Referenced: Tara Brach's teaching that "anger is initiatory, not transformative" see more at tarabrach.com


    Live + Work More Human is hosted by Sally Clarke and Alexis Zahner. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com

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    27 mins
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