Jay, Ivan, Leyla and Jamie sit down with legendary collector and timeline provocateur Phantom Scribbler, diving into everything from memes, the social impact of NFTs, the importance of concept and narrative and the death of aesthetics.

01:30 - The state of the market

05:47 - New additions and a rising floor

08:20 - Welcome Phantom Scribbler

09:15 - The effect of price action

10:40 - Phantom's introduction to NFTs

12:05 - Is the NFT trade over?

14:32 - Phantom's approach to collecting

17:00 - Autoglyphs and onchain art

18:57 - The emotional connection with an artwork

20:46 - The power of an ugly aesthetic

21:50 - Are aesthetics dead?

22:30 - Lost Robbies and the value of an origin story

24:37 - An impulsive approach to art

28:40 - Bidding on the Giraffe, and understanding memetic value

34:30 - Social stickiness around NFTs

38:00 - The responsibility collectors have to engage and build cultural narrative

50:09 - Brevity, complexity and genuine analysis

52:45 - Phantom's thoughts on physical art

58:35 - The magic formula for a successful release process

01:05:46 - What grabs Phantom's attention

01:09:00 - Artie Galerie and the importance of consistency

01:11:30 - How to onboard new collectors

01:18:57 - Phantom's favourite piece in his collection

01:19:25 - Thoughts on chains, timeframes and liquidity

01:26:28 - Phantom's biggest misses and questionable buys

Phantom Scribbler: https://x.com/phantom_scribbs

Pipi Universal: https://x.com/pipiuniversel

skomra: https://x.com/skomra

LEGIO_X: https://x.com/legio_x_

Yuri jjjj: https://x.com/yuri_jjjj

Jay, Ivan, Jamie and Leyla sit down with Adam Berninger of Tender and Heft Gallery to dive into Heft's opening, the realities of opening a physical space, artist-gallery relationships, the culture casino and institutional vs influencer gatekeeping.

01:38 - Welcome Adam Berninger

03:50 - The relationship between Tender and Heft

07:49 - What inspired the move to a physical gallery model

12:30 - Connecting in person and object-hood

16:00 - The power of a digital community

18:55 - How digital ownership is understood from outside the space

20:40 - The financial pressures of a physical gallery

25:45 - Galvanising the New York digital art scene

27:40 - Artist-gallery relationships

37:20 - Heft's upcoming program

39:41 - Keeping a balance of blockchain-based and physical works

44:20 - Showcasing the digital art community to people outside

46:30 - The challenges of onboarding and making it sticky

48:02 - What's in Verse's pipeline, working with different galleries and voices

54:30 - Heft's site, Verse white labelling and potential opportunities

59:50 - An expanding gallery presence for digital art in New York

01:01:39 - Meeting and working with Edward Burtynsky

01:07:00 - Fx(hash) airdrop announcement

01:09:51 - Artworks being sold as coins, fractionalisation and editions

01:17:02 - Turning culture into a casino

01:22:10 - Everything is a simulacrum

01:25:41 - Reacting to market conditions and competition

01:32:20 - The bell curve meme takes on gatekeeping

01:40:10 - The issue with the lack of institutional knowledge

01:44:15 - The issue with lack of influencer knowledge

01:50:56 - Artist Highlights

01:56:31 - Verse rundown

Adam Berninger: https://x.com/adamberninger

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery

Skomra: https://x.com/skomra

Pipi universal: https://x.com/pipiuniversel

LEGIO_X: https://x.com/legio_x

YuriJJJJ: https://x.com/yuri_jjjj

Mika Ben Amar: https://x.com/100o111

Orkhan: https://x.com/orkhan_art

Kenny Schachter joins Jamie, Ivan and Leyla to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, content coins and Rodeo's pivot to USD

01:00 - Welcome Kenny Schachter

03:20 - Building an audience in a pre-internet world

06:30 - Embracing authenticity and integrity

09:00 - Art as a means of social expression

12:49 - Closed mindedness in the art world

15:35 - NFT-ism

19:35 - Dealing with criticism

23:03 - A new audience and the appeal of NFTs

25:40 - Rebuilding the reputation of the NFT space

32:01 - Will the art world and the NFT space ever merge?

35:15 - Presence, reputation and engaging with community

39:50 - Technology and the impact of the computer

44:07 - Surviving in the current landscape

50:12 - Institutional and critical impact vs social media

52:20 - Finding opportunity in failure

01:01:27 - William Mapan and Sketchbook B

01:05:12 - Generative art in 2025

01:09:00 - How do you help to break new artists

01:10:47 - Tinysoul, Zora and content coins

01:19:15 - The impact of monetisation on creativity

01:28:25 - A different outlook on consumption

01:32:17 - The problem with just coining it

01:41:25 - Rodeo's pivot to USD

01:48:27 - Pocobelli and crypto art

01:54:25 - Artist highlights

02:00:02 - Verse Rundown

This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word.

00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher

03:46 - Jack's practice in his own words

05:56 - Don't over think it

07:32 - Design vs Art

10:11 - Systems art and the internet as a canvas

18:05 - In-search of resonance

23:30 - Validation and recognition

26:05 - How useful is the term 'Artist'?

31:45 - The internet's huge unlock

35:50 - Effort does not equal value

38:00 - Independence, control and externalising your thinking

39:54 - Minting on instinct

43:00 - The power of a network

45:30 - Why is the industry so male orientated?

48:10 - Thoughts on exhibiting in a physical space

54:50 - Creating understanding and the issue with working outside the box

59:55 - Power laws and growing the network

01:05:15 - Making your process visible

01:11:50 - New projects, experiments and constraints

01:14:32 - AI as part of a creative practice

01:16:35 - Where we'll be in three years?

01:25:00 - News from across the space

01:29 50 - Embracing the intensity of the space

01:32:15 - Artist highlights

Jack Butcher: https://x.com/jackbutcher

Visualize Value: https://x.com/visualizevalue

Ed Atkins: https://www.instagram.com/edatkinsdiet

Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery

Kevin Esherick: https://x.com/kev_esh

William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan

01:20 - Recap on William Mapan's SOLOS exhibition in London

05:00 - Mapan's holistic artistic approach

07:40 - Are discussion panels boring

14:20 - Embracing browser discrepancies

22:00 - The artist's intent vs breaking emerging standards

28:15 - Leyla's wallet boycott

33:10 - Jack Kaido and SuperRare

43:07 - Diving into Holly's collection

47:37 - Toxic positivity and Grace's post

54:17 - Timeframes and an opportunity to miss out

57:58 - Building out context in the digital space

01:00:30 - Botto's Liminal Thresholds

01:05:06 - Artists Rooms, formats and new focus

01:12:03 - Developing a release program and striking a balance

01:14:00 - Artist highlights

01:23:45 - Verse rundown

https://x.com/andreasgysin

https://x.com/graphicapng

https://x.com/reas

https://x.com/graceb_art

00:58 - The Deviates aftermath

02:15 - Unpacking the process

03:45 - The secret

06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration

10:50 - Battling platform censorship

13:50 - The reveal

16:45 - Great art can come from anywhere

20:20 - Self-expression and acceptance

23:15 - Deviations and community

24:18 - Permanence and provenance

27:09 - Personalised slop machines

35:40 - ChatGPT and the next wave of entrants

40:50 - Overly complex, off-putting tech

43:40 - Digital goes physical

47:30 - Deviates blue chip, red chip, purple chip?

49:10 - Fall out from Ghibli-gate

51:18 - William Mapan, sales mechanics

54:50 - Artie Gallerie and Kevin Esherick

56:29 - Fakewhale and Andy Duboc

01:22 - A complex practice

05:30 - Reflecting on Sketchbook A

09:50 - Parenthood on creativity

12:15 - Slowing down and escaping a framework

16:00 - Building bridges and the importance of physical work

19:48 - The evolution of Sketchbook B and Etudes

26:05 - Immersed in the process

27:33 - The completion of the sketchbook

31:20 - Mark making, self-exploration and identity

34:35 - Dealing with the noise

37:35 - The current focus on AI

39:49 - Does the medium matter

43:15 - Burnout and maintaining a work-life balance

47:30 - Installing Sketchbook B and highlighting the algorithm

53:45 - Authenticity and freedom of expression

56:38 - Thinking on sales mechanics and allowlists

59:19 - Intensity, stress and prerelease thoughts

01:30 - Jeff Magid

08:50 - Discovering another world

16:25 - Becoming a collector

19:15 - Risks and rewards

24:35 - Breaking convention

28:40 - The future of the art world and digital art

36:19 - Value creation and a complex market

39:55 - Stagnation and exclusivity

44:27 - Welcoming new participants

48:40 - Where digital art is going wrong

57:27 - The stigma of the PFP

1:00 - An outside perspective

01:01:54 - The roundtable returns

01:03:10 - Growing the digital space

01:05:30 - Fantasy art funds

01:06:20 - Parallel worlds

01:08:20 - The physicality of digital

01:10:08 - The promise of the metaverse

01:13:40 - Interacting and living with digital art

01:21:13 - Breaking down an outsiders perspective

01:26:20 - Blue chip art in a red chip world

01:36:30 - Converging towards a consensus look

01:41:10 - Agency, exposure and the impact of social media

01:51:49 - Red or blue

01:52:25 - High-end sales and moves

01:54:08 - Artist Highlights

01:58:28 - Verse rundown

hicetnunc2000: https://x.com/hicetnunc2000

kiszkiloszki: https://x.com/kiszkiloszki

Molly Soda: https://www.instagram.com/bloatedandalone4evr1993

Casey Reas: https://x.com/reas

Shl0ms: https://x.com/shl0ms

Jeff Magid: https://www.instagram.com/magideye