Jay, Ivan, Leyla and Jamie sit down with legendary collector and timeline provocateur Phantom Scribbler, diving into everything from memes, the social impact of NFTs, the importance of concept and narrative and the death of aesthetics.

01:30 - The state of the market

05:47 - New additions and a rising floor

08:20 - Welcome Phantom Scribbler

09:15 - The effect of price action

10:40 - Phantom's introduction to NFTs

12:05 - Is the NFT trade over?

14:32 - Phantom's approach to collecting

17:00 - Autoglyphs and onchain art

18:57 - The emotional connection with an artwork

20:46 - The power of an ugly aesthetic

21:50 - Are aesthetics dead?

22:30 - Lost Robbies and the value of an origin story

24:37 - An impulsive approach to art

28:40 - Bidding on the Giraffe, and understanding memetic value

34:30 - Social stickiness around NFTs

38:00 - The responsibility collectors have to engage and build cultural narrative

50:09 - Brevity, complexity and genuine analysis

52:45 - Phantom's thoughts on physical art

58:35 - The magic formula for a successful release process

01:05:46 - What grabs Phantom's attention

01:09:00 - Artie Galerie and the importance of consistency

01:11:30 - How to onboard new collectors

01:18:57 - Phantom's favourite piece in his collection

01:19:25 - Thoughts on chains, timeframes and liquidity

01:26:28 - Phantom's biggest misses and questionable buys

Phantom Scribbler: https://x.com/phantom_scribbs

Pipi Universal: https://x.com/pipiuniversel

skomra: https://x.com/skomra

LEGIO_X: https://x.com/legio_x_

Yuri jjjj: https://x.com/yuri_jjjj

Jay, Ivan, Jamie and Leyla sit down with Adam Berninger of Tender and Heft Gallery to dive into Heft's opening, the realities of opening a physical space, artist-gallery relationships, the culture casino and institutional vs influencer gatekeeping.

01:38 - Welcome Adam Berninger

03:50 - The relationship between Tender and Heft

07:49 - What inspired the move to a physical gallery model

12:30 - Connecting in person and object-hood

16:00 - The power of a digital community

18:55 - How digital ownership is understood from outside the space

20:40 - The financial pressures of a physical gallery

25:45 - Galvanising the New York digital art scene

27:40 - Artist-gallery relationships

37:20 - Heft's upcoming program

39:41 - Keeping a balance of blockchain-based and physical works

44:20 - Showcasing the digital art community to people outside

46:30 - The challenges of onboarding and making it sticky

48:02 - What's in Verse's pipeline, working with different galleries and voices

54:30 - Heft's site, Verse white labelling and potential opportunities

59:50 - An expanding gallery presence for digital art in New York

01:01:39 - Meeting and working with Edward Burtynsky

01:07:00 - Fx(hash) airdrop announcement

01:09:51 - Artworks being sold as coins, fractionalisation and editions

01:17:02 - Turning culture into a casino

01:22:10 - Everything is a simulacrum

01:25:41 - Reacting to market conditions and competition

01:32:20 - The bell curve meme takes on gatekeeping

01:40:10 - The issue with the lack of institutional knowledge

01:44:15 - The issue with lack of influencer knowledge

01:50:56 - Artist Highlights

01:56:31 - Verse rundown

Adam Berninger: https://x.com/adamberninger

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery

Skomra: https://x.com/skomra

Pipi universal: https://x.com/pipiuniversel

LEGIO_X: https://x.com/legio_x

YuriJJJJ: https://x.com/yuri_jjjj

Mika Ben Amar: https://x.com/100o111

Orkhan: https://x.com/orkhan_art

Kenny Schachter joins Jamie, Ivan and Leyla to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, content coins and Rodeo's pivot to USD

01:00 - Welcome Kenny Schachter

03:20 - Building an audience in a pre-internet world

06:30 - Embracing authenticity and integrity

09:00 - Art as a means of social expression

12:49 - Closed mindedness in the art world

15:35 - NFT-ism

19:35 - Dealing with criticism

23:03 - A new audience and the appeal of NFTs

25:40 - Rebuilding the reputation of the NFT space

32:01 - Will the art world and the NFT space ever merge?

35:15 - Presence, reputation and engaging with community

39:50 - Technology and the impact of the computer

44:07 - Surviving in the current landscape

50:12 - Institutional and critical impact vs social media

52:20 - Finding opportunity in failure

01:01:27 - William Mapan and Sketchbook B

01:05:12 - Generative art in 2025

01:09:00 - How do you help to break new artists

01:10:47 - Tinysoul, Zora and content coins

01:19:15 - The impact of monetisation on creativity

01:28:25 - A different outlook on consumption

01:32:17 - The problem with just coining it

01:41:25 - Rodeo's pivot to USD

01:48:27 - Pocobelli and crypto art

01:54:25 - Artist highlights

02:00:02 - Verse Rundown