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Ever feel the ground shift under your feet and wonder how to keep standing? We sit down with author and pastor Courtney Ellis, author of Looking Up: A Birder's Guide to Hope Through Grief, to explore a surprising guide to hope: birds. From mockingbirds that remix the sounds of the neighborhood to sparrows that sing through storms, we unpack how creation itself teaches us to live with uncertainty, grieve honestly, and find rest without checking out of real life.

Courtney shares why not knowing can be merciful, especially when our brains crave a full map we’re not built to carry. We talk about spiritual practices that keep us present—taking the next small step, looking up instead of spiraling, and honoring the quiet work that rarely trends. Sparrows become a lens for ordinary dignity in a world chasing peacock shine and platform pressure. If you’ve ever felt invisible, her reminder that “God sees” lands like water in dry soil.

This is a warm, grounded conversation for anyone navigating grief, change, or the relentless hum of “do more.” If you’re craving presence over performance, mercy over mastery, and a faith sturdy enough for uncertain days, press play. If this resonates, share it with a friend, subscribe to new episodes, and leave a review to help others find our community.

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What if the simple practice of looking out your window could change the way you carry grief? We sit down with Pastor Courtney Ellis, author of Looking Up: A Birder's Guide to Hope Through Grief," to explore how everyday birdwatching becomes a practice of attention that steadies the soul, awakens faith, and gently leads us toward hope. From the first "spark bird" that turns curiosity into a habit, to the quiet patience of waiting for wings to appear, we trace a path that’s grounded, embodied, and surprisingly accessible—even for restless minds.

Courtney opens up about losing her grandfather and how choosing to be a granddaughter before a professional reshaped her approach to mourning. Together, we name the cultural gap around grief and offer kinder rituals for moving through loss without rushing past it. Along the way, birds become teachers: vultures as tender witnesses and “priests of the wild,” goldfinches as bright messengers in hard seasons, and even city pigeons as underrated icons of resilience and beauty. Poetry from Wendell Berry and Mary Oliver weaves through the conversation, adding language that can hold both sorrow and joy.

If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend who needs gentle hope, and leave a review to help others find the show. Tell us: what’s your spark bird?

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A quiet lie can steer a whole life. We sat down with Pastor Gary Thomas, author of Living the Life You Were Reborn to Live: Dismantling 12 Lies That Rob Your Intimacy with God, to name the deceptions that slip into our thinking, even inside church walls, and to rebuild a vision of intimacy with God that can weather real storms. From the first moments, we trace how distraction has become the pattern of our age and why a renewed mind is the only way back to delight, trust, and fruitful obedience.

Gary takes us behind his new book and the intentional choice of the word “dismantling”—a call to active agency in pulling down structures that block spiritual growth. We explore how small, untested myths shape daily choices, then map that insight onto spiritual half-truths that leave us frustrated with God. The conversation turns tender and bold when we address “family first.” Jesus warned that allegiance to him can divide households; anchoring identity in the Father’s love frees us from chasing validation in our children’s responses and equips us to love without bargaining. That shift releases unnecessary shame and restores the courage to hold truth with humility.

We also dive into control and the lost art of spiritual adventure. When we surrender outcomes and stay alert to the Spirit’s movement, God often uses surprising agents to answer our prayers. Finally, we reframe peace. It isn’t situational—stacked on health, money, and harmony—but relational, grounded in the presence of Christ who holds us when the house shakes. If fear imagines futures without God, peace remembers who is with us right now.

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Listen to E.70, "Unlearning with Meditative Exercise, 'The Waiting Room.'"

Listen to E.146, "Reimagining Your Love Life," with Gary Thomas

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Begin Your Heartlifter's Journey:

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3. Make a tax-deductible donation through Heartlift International
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5. Download the 2025 Advent Guide: The Great Glimmer Hunt
6. Meet me on Instagram: @janellrardon