Are we all addicted?

Not just to substances—but to our phones, technology, stimulation, and constant distraction.

In this episode of The Unbroken, Jason Chain and I start with a national conversation sparked by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who described addiction as a spiritual injury. From there, the discussion widens.

We examine how rapid technological advancement has reshaped the human nervous system—how constant connection has quietly produced deeper disconnection, isolation, and loneliness. Many people now experience withdrawal not from substances, but from silence, stillness, and being alone with their thoughts.

This episode explores:

• Whether addiction exists on a spectrum that now includes technology

• Why modern life increases anxiety, loneliness, and emotional fragmentation

• How “withdrawal” shows up when phones and stimulation are removed

• The difference between chemical addiction and spiritual disconnection

• What real spiritual transformation looks like in a hyper-distracted world

This is not an anti-technology rant. It’s a grounded conversation about what happens to humans when speed outpaces meaning—and why recovery, in any form, requires reconnection at a deeper level.

Sponsor This episode is sponsored by Augustine Recovery

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The Unbroken Podcast focuses on addiction, family systems, recovery, leadership, and what it actually takes to rebuild a life—without blame, slogans, or shortcuts.

JASON CHANE is the owner of Augustine Recovery located in St. Augustine, Florida. https://www.augustinerecovery.com/

Augustine Recovery- (904)217-0480

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services.

FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly

MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN

SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC

Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction.

Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Jeff Hatch is a man defined by resilience and transformation. A former NFL player, Ivy League graduate, federal felon, and man in long-term recovery, his remarkable journey has been featured in three documentary films and earned him the President's Volunteer Service Award. Today, Jeff serves as a certified High Performance and Personal Transformation Coach and does National Business Development for Eagle Creek Ranch Recovery. Based in Vancouver, WA, he dedicates his life to helping others find recovery and reach their fullest potential.

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services.

FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly

MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN

SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC

Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction.

Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

When Kathy Wrenn’s son became addicted, she refused to accept helplessness.

Instead of giving up, she got educated, built structure, and changed how her family responded.

Kathy Wrenn is a mother from Richmond, Virginia whose son struggled with addiction. While many parents are told they “can’t control it” and are handed catchphrases about “tough love,” Kathy took a different path. She asked a different question:

“What can I do?” In this episode, Kathy shares:

• What she changed in the family system

• Why she questioned common addiction advice

• How she got her husband on the same page

• What structure looks like in real life

• What families get wrong when they think “support” means “rescue”

Today, her son has been sober nearly 8 years, and Kathy now helps other families through a support structure she operates in the Richmond area. She was also recently featured in a documentary highlighting family recovery.

This conversation is about education, leadership, and refusing to stay powerless when someone you love is struggling with addiction.

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Free family support meetings every week for families navigating addiction. Private family coaching also available.

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JASON CHANE is the owner of Augustine Recovery located in St. Augustine, Florida. https://www.augustinerecovery.com/

Augustine Recovery- (904)217-0480

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services.

FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly

MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN

SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC

Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction.

Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services.

Thomas McCollum shares his personal journey with addiction and how sobriety has transformed his life. The Intervention On Call team are happy to welcome Thomas as our newest provider. You can find his bio and book an appointment with Thomas on our website.

FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly

MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN

SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC

Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction.

Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).

This episode breaks down the mindset of the chronic relapser and what it actually takes to reach someone who seems unwilling or unable to stay sober.

Sam Davis sits down with Jesse Earwood, now COO of Burning Tree Programs, who once lived that exact cycle himself. Jesse shares his personal journey from repeated relapse to long-term recovery, and what finally changed.

Together, they unpack:

• Why chronic relapsers don’t respond to traditional treatment

• The thinking patterns that keep people stuck

• The difference between wanting sobriety and being willing to change

• What families misunderstand about repeated relapse

• Why long-term, progress-based care is often necessary

• What it really takes to help someone who is “reluctant to recover”

This is a must-watch for families who feel like they’ve “tried everything” and professionals working with treatment-resistant cases.

About Burning Tree Programs

Burning Tree is a long-term, progress-based treatment program specializing in individuals who struggle with chronic relapse and resistance to traditional recovery approaches.

Learn more about Burning Tree Programs here:

https://www.burningtree.com/?utm_camp...

If your loved one keeps cycling through treatment and relapse, this conversation explains why — and what may finally help.

Intervention On Call is an online collective of interventionists offering affordable hourly sessions for families suffering from addiction. All IOC providers are in independent practice and offer full "in person" intervention services.

FREE FAMILY SUPPORT MEETINGS are offered nightly

MONDAY-THURSDAY 8 PM EASTERN

SUNDAY 8 PM PACIFIC

Recorded live during one of our FREE Family Support Meetings on Zoom, where families receive guidance, encouragement, and practical tools for navigating a loved one’s addiction.

Join us live by registering at InterventionOnCall.com (https://interventiononcall.com).