What happens when love isn’t enough to hold up a broken system?

Ai-jen Poo—award-winning organizer and executive director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance—joins Kate Bowler to talk about caregiving in America. Who provides it. Who’s left out. And why we need a system that treats care as the sacred, shared labor that it is.

Together they explore:

• Why more than 100 million Americans are caregiving right now
• What it costs to support a loved one—and why the math doesn’t add up
• The long shadow of slavery in how we treat domestic workers today
• Why dignity and agency are essential in every stage of life
• What it would look like to build a policy solution that works for everyone

If you’re carrying the care of someone else—or fearing the moment when you will—this conversation is for you.

Show Notes

• Caring Across Generations – A movement co-led by Ai-jen Poo to transform the way we care in America.

• National Domestic Workers Alliance – Advocating for the dignity and rights of the people who care for our homes and loved ones.

• The Age of Dignity by Ai-jen Poo – A powerful read on what the “elder boom” means for all of us.

• Find your elected officials – Contact Congress to protect Medicaid and support caregiving policies.

• State-by-state Medicaid info – Learn what Medicaid is called in your state and how it supports care.

• Congressional Budget Office – For context on recent Medicaid budget cuts and projections for coverage loss.

• Aspen Ideas Festival

• Share your caregiving story on Substack – Join the conversation with others who are navigating care.

• A Blessing for Care-Givers and Care-Receivers – A gentle word for those in the trenches of giving or needing care.

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What happens when the life you were supposed to have… disappears?

Jen Hatmaker joins Kate Bowler for a conversation about faith, divorce, and the slow art of healing. After the collapse of her marriage and being pushed out of the evangelical world, Jen had to figure out how to live again—how to co-parent, pay bills, go to therapy, and mother herself after decades of being the “pastor’s wife.”

They talk about:

• What it means to lose a marriage, a career, and a community—at once

• The weight of being a “good” evangelical woman

• Codependency, caretaking, and letting your kids have their pain

• The deep joy of discovering you can rebuild from scratch

This is for the people who are learning how to live when the story changes. A conversation about grief, grace, and not doing it alone.

Show Notes:

• Awake by Jen Hatmaker – her latest book on rebuilding a life after loss

• Support Guides — for divorce, caregiving, and rebuilding from the Everything Happens Project

• Have a Beautiful, Terrible Day! by Kate Bowler – meditations for the ups, downs, and in-betweens

• The Preacher’s Wife by Kate Bowler

• For the Love podcast with Jen Hatmaker

• Jen Hatmaker's book club – a delightfully honest reading community

• Come hang out in our favorite little corner of the internet, Kate's Substack.

• Check out the last time Jen joined Kate on the Everything Happens podcast!

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There are no training manuals for this. Just a child staring up at you with cartoon eyes and an inner monologue that asks: Am I doing this right? Am I ruining them?

Kate sits down with Dr. Becky Kennedy—a clinical psychologist and creator of Good Inside—to talk about the heartbreak and hope of parenting. What does it mean to raise (or re-raise) someone with compassion and boundaries, especially when you never learned how?

Whether you're parenting toddlers, teens, or the little one inside yourself, this conversation offers grace for anyone trying again.

Show Notes:

• Good Inside by Dr. Becky Kennedy — parenting platform, book, and podcast

• A Blessing for When You're Not the Parent You Meant to Be

• katebowler.substack.com — essays, blessings, and community reflections

• Support Guide: When Your Child is in Pain — for parents supporting kids through emotional struggle

• Support Guide: Those Who Care for Teens — compassionate care for older children

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When someone you love is in pain—whether they’re sick, addicted, or falling apart—you show up. Again and again and again. You make the calls. You hold the line. You carry what you can. But what happens when love, loyalty, and devotion blur into something harder to name? When care turns into codependency, and compassion starts to erase your sense of self?

Kate sits down with best-selling author Elizabeth Gilbert (Eat, Pray, Love; Big Magic) to talk about the toll and the tenderness of caregiving. Liz’s new memoir, All the Way to the River, chronicles her years caring for someone she loved deeply through addiction and illness—and what it meant to finally let go.

Together, they explore:

1. What it means to walk someone you love to the edge of life

2. How codependence disguises itself as devotion

3. The permission we need to be more than someone’s lifeline

This conversation is for anyone who has ever loved to the point of exhaustion. Who wonders if love is meant to cost this much. Who needs a blessing for the moment when helping means losing yourself.

🧡 Listen with care. Leave with permission.

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Books by Elizabeth Gilbert

• All the Way to the River – A raw memoir of caregiving, addiction, and release

• Big Magic – On creativity, inspiration, and the discipline of making

• Eat, Pray, Love – A bestselling memoir on desire, spirituality, and selfhood

• The Signature of All Things – A novel of science, wonder, and the search for understanding

Resources + Mentions

• TED Talk: Your Elusive Creative Genius – Liz’s viral TED talk on creative brilliance

• Alcoholics Anonymous – A spiritual practice of surrender discussed in the episode

• Sky Cave Retreats – Where Liz spent five days in total darkness

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In this episode, Kate speaks with surgeon, writer, and public health leader Dr. Atul Gawande about the deeply human questions that surface when medicine meets its limits. What does it mean to be a good doctor when a cure isn’t possible? What do people really mean when they say they want “quality of life”?

Together, they talk about caregiving, end-of-life decisions, and how the most honest conversations in healthcare begin—not with answers—but with better questions.

For anyone living with chronic illness, caring for someone they love, or wondering what it means to live a good life with limits, this conversation won’t offer easy fixes. But it might offer something just as rare: clarity, compassion, and the courage to ask what really matters.

Watch the full episode on YouTube: Kate C. Bowler on YouTube

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Show notes:

• The Aspen Ideas Festival

• Being Mortal by Dr. Atul Gawande

• The Green House Project

• Ari Johnson & Muso Health

• Organizations for further action: World Food Programme, UNICEF, American Red Cross

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You were supposed to be a whole new person by now. Sun-kissed and emotionally regulated. Inbox at zero.

But here we are—still tired, still trying, still wondering if change is even possible. In this episode, I reflect on the seasons when we ache to become someone else. Someone better and explore the ancient idea of virtue—especially the least sexy one, prudence—as a compass for who we’re becoming and how.

Rooted in Christian theology, this episode is for the slow changers. The late bloomers. The people choosing one small, faithful step instead of a total overhaul.

Plus, it includes a blessing for anyone who’s trying to change... but not overnight.

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We are re-airing some of our favorite episodes during our summer break like this one with expert facilitator, Priya Parker. After the pandemic took apart so many of our favorite ways of hanging out, we might be out of practice. Or too tired or overwhelmed. Priya encourages us all to practice being together for different reasons. And they don’t have to be nearly as fancy or predictable as we might think…

In this episode, Kate and Priya discuss:

• How do we show up for other people and ourselves in creative ways
• How to know when a change might be needed in a regular gathering
• Risk and the awkwardness of needing people

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During our summer break, we are re-airing some of our favorite episodes! Margaret Renkl calls herself a backyard naturalist—but not because she has any particular expertise. From the birds in her yard to the bugs in her flower beds, she has learned the art of attention. Nature has taught her a speed at which to live, to hope, to stave off despair.

In this conversation, Kate and Margaret discuss:

• What we miss when we imagine we have to drive somewhere else to experience nature, instead of noticing it around us
• What birds teach us about what it means to be a good mother
• How to learn to love even the mosquitoes and wasps
• Where Margaret experiences moments of holiness
• How we might all start to be besotted by beauty

Perhaps, we can borrow some of Margaret’s innate curiosity together and see how it might open us up to wonder and love and connectedness once again.

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