In this listener participation episode, Drew and Josh tackle your questions about recovery while celebrating inspiring stories from the community.

Questions explored in this episode:

Why does my anxiety disorder feel like it's protecting me? When you're struggling with OCD, panic disorder, or health anxiety, your threat response can feel like a cult leader in your head—insisting it has your back, showing you "the truth," and making it incredibly risky to walk away. We break down why this happens and what you can do about it.

What about rolling panic attacks? One listener shares their experience of a vacation derailed by cascading panic attacks that wouldn't stop. We explain why panic attacks can roll from one into the next, what fuels this cycle, and how following anxiety's instructions in the moment keeps the wheel turning.

How do I handle competing voices in my head? As you progress in recovery, you may notice different voices—one saying "freak out now" and another saying "wait, let's see what's happening here." We discuss what these voices represent and how to work with them.

Other topics: Managing health anxiety when you're actually sick, dealing with rejection without letting it fuel future anxiety, and why thinking about "what could have been" isn't grief—it's just overthinking.

Did It Anyways from listeners include:

• Changing medication brands without obsessing over side effects
• Driving four hours alone to a camping trip despite agoraphobia
• Sitting through a three-hour movie after a year of avoidance
• Grocery shopping while anxious
• Sharing romantic feelings despite fear of rejection

Key takeaway: The simplest description of anxiety disorder recovery? Getting really good at leaving it the hell alone. That means resisting the urge to fix, control, or prevent uncomfortable feelings, and instead doing what non-anxious you would do—even while you're feeling scared.

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When you're at your child's birthday party, your wedding day, or on a much-anticipated vacation, do you find yourself feeling anxious instead of joyful—and then getting frustrated with yourself for "not feeling the right way"? In this episode, Drew and Josh explore one of the most common traps in anxiety recovery: judging yourself for having the "wrong" emotions.

You'll hear about how people struggling with panic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD, and other anxiety challenges often add a second layer of suffering by criticizing themselves for not feeling grateful, happy, or calm in moments when they think they "should" be. Josh and Drew discuss how this pattern shows up during holidays, special events, and everyday situations, and why trying to control or optimize your emotions typically backfires.

The conversation covers:

• Why "all feelings are welcome" is more than just a nice phrase—it's a practical recovery principle
• How fighting against the emotions you're experiencing makes it less likely you'll move through them naturally
• The difference between desensitized and sensitized responses to anxiety
• Why your brain is a prediction engine, not a reaction machine, and what that says about emotions
• How willful tolerance applies even before anxiety shows up
• Why comparing yourself to others around you ("they're all relaxed and I'm not") keeps you stuck

You'll also hear inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from listeners who pushed forward despite uncomfortable feelings, including someone who hadn't left their house in days but went to a holiday event anyway, and a new mother who faced her lifelong fear during an emergency C-section.

This episode may be particularly helpful if you're heading into holiday gatherings, family events, or any situation where you're putting pressure on yourself to feel a certain way. The guys remind us that recovery isn't measured by the absence of symptoms—it's measured by your willingness to be with them.

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One of the most terrifying fears in anxiety disorders is the fear of losing your mind. In this episode, Drew and Josh explore dementophobia - the fear of insanity - and why it's so common among people experiencing panic disorder, OCD, agoraphobia, and health anxiety.

The guys discuss how the brain's threat response can turn inward when it can't find an external danger, creating the believable (but inaccurate) story that you must be going crazy. They explore why symptoms like depersonalization and derealization can fuel this fear, and how the disorder creates a "checking state" where you're constantly scanning for signs of mental deterioration.

In this episode:

• Why feeling like you're losing your sanity is such a common fear
• How panic and anxiety symptoms can feel like evidence of insanity
• The difference between being afraid and being in actual danger
• Common compulsions that keep the fear alive (checking, avoiding, reassurance seeking)
• Why combat veteran comparisons miss the mark
• How experience, not reassurance, changes the brain's predictions
• "Did It Anyway" stories of facing fears
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Key principle: Your brain only needs to find a believable story - it doesn't have to be accurate. The intensity of your fear only confirms that you're afraid, not that the danger is real.

Remember that while this fear is genuinely terrifying, there is no path from anxious to insane. Recovery involves learning to move through these frightening moments rather than compulsing against them.

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Drew and Josh announce the release of their first co-written book, The Disordered Guide to Health Anxiety, and dive deep into the many faces of health anxiety. From the resource gatherer constantly Googling symptoms to the optimizer obsessing over perfect health metrics, they explore how health anxiety shows up differently for different people - and why it's fundamentally about the anxiety, not the health itself.

You'll hear real stories from listeners navigating health anxiety, including someone who faced their driving fears while expecting a second child, and discussions about the difference between panic disorder's health fixation and health anxiety disorder. Drew and Josh tackle tough questions about managing anxiety while waiting for actual medical test results, explaining why the emotions are justified but the compulsions aren't helpful.

The episode covers the compulsive behaviors that keep health anxiety alive - from fitness watch monitoring to constant symptom checking - and why overcoming health anxiety doesn't mean achieving certainty about your health. It means learning to respond differently when those fears arise. The guys also discuss the role of courage in recovery and why turning your back on health-based compulsions can feel reckless and irresponsible, even when it's the right move.

Whether you're the person who can't stop researching symptoms or the one too terrified to see a doctor, this episode offers a realistic look at what health anxiety actually is and how people move forward with it.

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In this episode of Disordered, the guys delve into the common anxiety symptoms of dizziness and lightheadedness. They share personal experiences, discuss the impact of these symptoms on daily life, and explore coping mechanisms such as interoceptive exposure and mindfulness.

The conversation also highlights community wins, listener questions, and the importance of awareness in managing anxiety. The hosts encourage listeners to challenge their fears and practice being present in their experiences.

Takeaways

• Dizziness and lightheadedness are common anxiety symptoms.
• The threat response often amplifies feelings of dizziness.
• Changing behaviors due to dizziness can reinforce anxiety.
• Mindfulness practices can help in recognizing anxiety triggers.
• Interoceptive exposure can desensitize the fear of dizziness.
• Community support plays a vital role in recovery.
• Challenging the narrative of anxiety is crucial for progress.
• Practicing being dizzy can reduce fear over time.
• Awareness of thoughts and feelings is key to managing anxiety.
• It's important to focus on what matters most in life.

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Agoraphobia. Is it fear of open spaces? Do people with agoraphobia always fear open spaces? What even is agoraphobia and how to I overcome it?

This week we're looking at the complexities of agoraphobia, exploring its definitions, connections to panic disorder, and the fear of open spaces. We're sharing some personal experiences and insights on how navigate through these challenges, emphasizing the importance of exposure therapy (what a surprise) and understanding that specific triggers mostly don't matter.

We also include a few great did-it-anyways, including flying with an anxiety disorder, a primary fear for many struggling with agoraphobia.

Takeaways

• Agoraphobia is the fear of losing control outside of a safe zone.
• Many agoraphobics plan their lives around safe zones.
• Distance does not equate to increased anxiety; it's about perception.
• For some, wide open spaces can trigger feelings of anxiety and fear
• Hypervigilance makes it difficult to cope in unfamiliar environments.
• Exposure therapy is essential for overcoming agoraphobia.
• Specific triggers (like open spaces) are largely irrelevant in the recovery equation.
• Anxiety can distort perceptions of safety and control.

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Sometimes life throws real challenges at you. Medical issues. Loss. Uncertainty. The kind of stuff that makes anxiety feel completely justified. So how do you move forward when you're genuinely scared AND dealing with actual difficult circumstances?

In this episode, we share some of the most powerful "did it anyway" stories we've ever received. From someone facing serious health challenges to a marathon runner dealing with panic attacks, these listeners show us what it really means to engage with life even when things are legitimately hard.

We talk about why waiting to "fix yourself" before living your life doesn't work, how to handle the reality that feelings don't always indicate actual danger, and what it means to let both the good and difficult parts of life exist at the same time. You don’t have to be fearless. But you can do what matters even while you're afraid.

If you're struggling with the gap between how you feel and what you want to do with your life, this episode might help you see that moving forward is possible, even when it feels impossible.

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Panicogenic Relaxation: Why You Feel Anxious When Feeling Calm

You're finally feeling better. The anxiety has lifted. You're relaxed and calm for the first time in months or even years. So why does that feel so weird? And why are you suddenly anxious about feeling calm?

In this episode, Drew and Josh explore "panicogenic relaxation". This is a common experience in anxiety disorder recovery where feeling normal, neutral, or relaxed can trigger concern or even high anxiety and panic. When you've been anxious for so long, that heightened state becomes your predictable default. The absence of anxiety can feel unfamiliar, strange, or even threatening.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why feeling calm or relaxed can feel uncomfortable or even scary during recovery
• How your brain's scanning mechanisms continue even when you're no longer anxious
• Why anxiety becomes a "predictable pillar" after long periods of struggle
• The importance of practicing being relaxed, not just practicing being anxious
• How the shock-attention-resistance cycle continues even when you're feeling better
• Why all emotional states - including calm - need to be permissible
• How to recognize when you're still checking and monitoring even during neutral states

We also share inspiring "Did It Anyway" stories from the community, including someone who kept pushing through fatigue to go to new places, and another who took their first step away from 13 years of self-medication.

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