In this episode of Beyond What Hurts Us, Kristen and Leslie take a fresh look at the early 2000s dating advice phenomenon He's Just Not That Into You. While the book was intended to empower women to recognize when a man isn’t invested, we discuss why its message falls short in today’s dating landscape.

We explore how the book places all the emphasis on whether he is interested—without ever asking if she is. It also ignores the emotional complexity of relationships, failing to acknowledge the very real grief that can come with the end of a relationship or even a situationship.

At the heart of our conversation is a call for a more compassionate and nuanced approach to dating—one that prioritizes mutual respect, emotional honesty, and treating others the way we want to be treated. Whether you’re navigating dating disappointments or seeking healthier connections, this episode offers hope, guidance, and a much-needed reframe.

This week on Beyond What Hurts Us, Kristen and Leslie dive into the complexities of relationships, exploring themes of abandonment, emotional literacy, and the art of mindful loving. From discussing the power of movement and embracing our "wild woman" to unpacking the five A's of healthy relationships—attention, affection, acceptance, appreciation, and allowing—we reflect on what it means to truly show up for ourselves and others.

We share personal stories, insights from books like The Women Who Run With Wolves and How to Be an Adult in Relationships, and practical tips for navigating abandonment wounds and fostering connection. Join us as we lean into curiosity, embrace vulnerability, and begin to redefine how we engage in relationships with a deeper sense of awareness and intention.

In this episode, Kristen and Leslie are joined by Brandy Cunningham to explore the intersection of recovery and personal choice. Together, they dive into the complexities of addiction, the structure of programs like AA, and the nuanced process of reclaiming agency after trauma. Brandy shares her experiences navigating recovery, challenging norms, and forging a unique path toward healing. Whether you're in recovery, supporting someone who is, or curious about the journey, this conversation offers fresh perspectives and actionable insights.