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Everyone has influence, which is the basis of leadership. BOW’s bi-weekly episodes are purposed to prepare and empower Christian women for leadership and life. They feature our ministry team and women guests who share from their professional ministry experience. Whatever your calling – influencing your neighbors, coworkers, family, friends, leading small groups – this podcast is for you.© 2024 Beyond Ordinary Women Ministries Cristianismo Espiritualidad Ministerio y Evangelismo
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  • Valuing the “Boring” Chapters of the Bible
    Feb 24 2026
    Dr. Nika Spaulding Do you value the "boring" parts of the Bible? If you've ever read through the Bible or have encountered sections that you might consider boring, this episode will give you reasons to care about them. According to BOW's guest speaker, Dr. Nika Spaulding, Leviticus, the genealogies, and other scriptures can actually be places of learning, encouragement and joy. Her conversation with Dr. Kay Daigle will blow your mind as you see the riches that these passages hold. Recommended resources BOW's Media List - search for Nika BOW's Studying & Teaching the Bible This episode is available on video if you prefer it. Timestamps: 00:20 Introduction to Nika and the topic 01:14 Who needs to hear this? 04:31 Scriptures that tell us we should read all parts of the Bible 06:32 What makes the details of the tabernacle so interesting? 14:40 What about the genealogies? 25:51 Best ways to read the Bible 29:03 Resources TranscriptKay >> Welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women Podcast and video. I'm Kay Daigle your host. And today I'm joined by Dr. Nika Spaulding. Nika >> Wow. The Doctor! Wow! Kay >> Yeah, well, we are so happy about that. And congratulations to you on that. That's a big deal. Nika >> Thank you, Dr. Kay. Kay >> You're welcome. Well, Nika is a frequent guest. We have her often because she always has so many good things to say. And she has a Th.M. from DTS as well as a D.Min. from Northern Seminary. Today we are going to talk about valuing the so-called boring chapters of the Bible.

    Nika >> Yeah.Kay >> Now, Nika, who needs to hear this? Nika >> Everyone. Everyone needs to hear. And I mean that! You know, you and I always talk about what is it we want to talk about? What do we want to bring to Beyond Ordinary Women. And it tends to just kind of grow out of whatever research I'm doing at that time, whatever I'm studying and learning. And right now I'm doing this thing where I'm teaching through each book of the Bible, one chapter at a time. So I'm halfway on a little bit more than halfway through Exodus. We've done all of Genesis. We've done all of Exodus. And it made me realize how tempting it would be to skip some chapters. Like, if I'm being honest, there's some chapters and I'm like, “Huh, I'm not as excited about this chapter as I would, you know, Abraham sacrificing Isaac or whatever.” There's just certain parts of the Bible you think, “Really?” And yet I have found because I'm forcing myself to do it, I'm discovering these so-called boring passages like genealogies, the tabernacle instructions, places like that. What I'm discovering is actually they are critical chapters to one, our understanding of the Bible. But also there's so much like good juice to squeeze out of that fruit for our spiritual formation and for our development. That shouldn't surprise us if Scripture tells us that all Scripture is God breathed inspired by God and useful for these things. And so I really do believe this is one of those videos for everybody, whether you're teaching through the Bible, studying the Bible, coming to the Bible for the first time, confused about the so-called boring parts of the Bible. This is a video for you. Kay >> Yes. I wish I had had this video when I started with my group, that is reading through the Bible in two years, because we've already made it through a lot of those chapters. And I thought you were very positive just to say not as excited about these chapters because I think many of us aren't even excited at all. Nika >> About, you know. Kay >> We just want to get through these chapters. This gal who is reading through the Bible with this group told us that she puts her finger under every name because in the genealogies or other times where they're lists of people just so that she reads every single name and doesn't just skip over it. Nika >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's great. I not only do I teach through it,

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  • Spiritual Leadership in a Fragile World
    Feb 10 2026
    Debbie Swindoll Kelly Arabie Debbie Swindoll joins BOW Ministry Team Member, Kelly Arabie, to discuss spiritual leadership in a fragile world. Too often people are afraid of being hurt and protect themselves by portraying a facade instead of sharing their real selves, even in the church. Debbie suggests a better way. If you are a leader in your church or community, this conversation will benefit you. Recommended resources Grafted Life Ministries website Life With God Journey by Grafted Life Ministries BOW's resources on Godly Living This episode is available on video as well. Timestamps: Time Stamps 00:21 Introductions 01:36 What is spiritual leadership? 03:56 What are the issues in our culture that make our world fragile? 08:25 What does it look like to lead people spiritually in a context of isolation and relational disconnection? 10:10 The importance of trust 11:42 How do we give people an experience of joy? 15:50 The importance of connection in our church communities 20:01 What are practical ways that small group leaders create that space in their groups? 23:40 Why is it so difficult to be in relationship in small groups & why do we feel the compulsion to fix, advise and rescue? 26:42 How do we move past the fear and shame in a group? 38:32 How is it different to lead a group like that? 41:41 Resources TranscriptKelly >> Welcome to the Beyond Ordinary Women podcast. I'm Kelly Arabie. I'm your host today. And our guest is Debbie Swindoll. Debbie is a spiritual director, Pastor of Spiritual Formation at Journey Community Church in Allen, Texas, and the Executive Director of Grafted Life Ministries. As founder of Grafted Life, Debbie envisioned and coauthored ten studies for spiritual growth. And she currently writes and speaks and consults on issues of relational theology and spiritual leadership. Debbie's training is with the Talbot School of Theology's Institute for Spiritual Formation at Biola University. And we are thrilled to have her with us today. Welcome, Debbie. Debbie >> Thanks, Kelly. When you said all of that, I'm like, “Boy, am I tired!” Kelly >> Well, you know of what you speak. So and today's podcast is on Spiritual Leadership in a Fragile World. And so, Deb, I know you have a lot of experience, decades with spiritual leadership. Debbie >> Yeah. You know, some let me just start by saying, what is spiritual leadership? I think we're very practiced and maybe mind full of being good leaders. You know, how do we get leadership training? How do we develop our skills as leaders? To be better prepared to lead other people-whether that's we're in the pastorate or where some other kind of leader maybe we're just a small group leader. But we're mindful of skills to make us better. We purposed to talk about spiritual leadership today because I think that there's a maybe an under emphasis on the spiritual a part of leading in the church. What I mean by that is a life that's really grounded in their own relationship with God and is very aware of God in the world, in their own lives, in the life of the church, in the life of other people. And they're moving in that space all the time. So in some ways, the skills that we get as a leader we may practice as a leader are only there to serve the awarenesses we have of God in our life and in others lives and how they're serving that awareness. So there's this spiritual world that exists and are we attuned to that? Are we aware of it and open to it and moving in it? And that's kind of the spiritual part. That’s kind of the extra thing that I think is a part of spiritual leadership. So that's kind of the context we're talking about. In this topic, which actually spiritual leadership in a fragile world that's kind of almost the special sauce, right? That helps us to actually navigate in a fragile world. Kelly >> So what are the issues that you think in our culture make it a fragile world today?
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  • Why We Are Protestant
    Jan 27 2026
    Sharifa Stevens Dr. Beth Felker Jones Why are we Protestant? Have you ever wondered what the differences are? BOW's guest for this episode is Dr. Beth Felker Jones, Professor of Theology at Northern Seminary, sits down with BOW Ministry Team Member Sharifa Stevens to talk about being a Protestant. They discuss how it intersects and differs from other Christian traditions. What are the major beliefs that differ? We so appreciate that Dr. Jones approaches this topic with grace and humility, not with an adversarial attitude. Dr. Jones' Resources Dr. Jones' book Why I Am Protestant Church Blogmatics Substack Bethfelkerjones.com This episode is available on video as well. Timestamps: 00:21 Introductions 01:46 Who is your audience? 04:35 Orthodoxy isn't about thinking right but about a right relationship with God. 08:50 God cannot be caged by a fallible church. 11:31 Why is Scripture alone, Sola Scriptura, such an important Protestant distinction? 16:31 Why is it good that Ecclesiology, the study of the church (the structure, etc.) is not that specific? 21:18 What makes Protestantism good for women? 25:30 The greatest challenge for Protestants today 26:33 What would you say to those who say that Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox aren't Christians? 27:12 Resources TranscriptSharifa >> Hello and welcome to Beyond Ordinary Women Ministry. I am Sharifa Stevens, one of the hosts of Beyond Ordinary Women. And today, I am very excited to talk to Dr. Beth Felker Jones. Dr. Jones. I love saying that, so I'll say that every time. Dr. Jones with a Ph.D. from Duke University, is a midwestern writer and professor of Theology at Northern Seminary. She writes theology and fiction, has published numerous books and writes regularly at her Sub Stack, which is entitled Church Blogmatics. I had to say that slowly. A lifelong book lover, as she writes about relationships, identity and redemption. Dr. Jones' latest book is entitled Why I Am Protestant. And we'll be talking about that book today. You can discover more about Dr. Jones on our website BeyondOrdinaryWomen.org. Welcome, Dr. Jones. Dr. Jones >> Thank you. Delighted to be here with you. Sharifa >> Thank you so much for being here. Let's jump right in, shall we? Dr. Jones >> Yeah. Sharifa >> Okay, so in your book, as you were writing your book, Why I Am Protestant, who did you imagine reading your book as you wrote it? Who are your ideal readers? Dr. Jones >> This is really bad writing advice, but I have trouble imagining my reader and I tend to just write. Really, it's awful. It's awful writing advice. But I suppose I hoped I was writing for other Protestants who might be thinking through both the joys and challenges of being Protestant, as well as for Christians in other traditions who might want to understand something more about the Protestant tradition. So that dual audience to mix it makes it a little bit trickier. Yeah, I just wrote what I was feeling, and that's really what I did. So, yeah. Sharifa >> What prompted you to this feeling? What prompted you to write the book in the first place? Dr. Jones >> Yeah. Well, the book was written by invitation of Intervarsity Press. So really grateful for that invitation. And it's in a little series. There's also a book called Why I'm Roman Catholic, perhaps, by Matthew Levering, and in future, there'll be a Why I Am Orthodox volume. And Intervarsity Press' desire was to have a series here that is clear about conviction from theologians in these different traditions, but is also peaceful and kind and ecumenical. There are some kinds of books like this out there that are more fighting words. Right? And this is intended more as a heartfelt testimony to my own tradition than as a why I'm not these things and those things. So I was grateful to be tapped by IVP to write the book. But I had wanted to write a book like this for a long time because it's the case that I understand...
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