Episodes

  • Robert Kerbeck: Shank the Man and Rake in the Bucks
    Jun 3 2022

     

    Let’s just say you didn’t grow up wanting to become a spy. You just wanted out of the family car business. You’re armed with an Ivy League education in your back pocket. You have a more noble profession in mind.

    I don’t know... maybe... to be an actor.

    But... to support yourself... you need a survival job. Before you now it, while your acting peers are waiting tables, you begin your apprenticeship as a corporate spy.

    Dear listeners... everything you about to hear is entirely true... At least as far as we know...

    I mean... this is the security industry... And we are talking about a working professional actor

    But I digress...

     

    pm73media and Matt Stephenson are excited to welcome Robert Herbek to the show. Robert has worn many hats over a long career... most of them in various characters as a CORPORATE SPY! Yes, that is a thing. After a career as a working actor on many network shows you have probably seen, he went full time into the world of social engineering. His new book RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street details stories that are just too good to not be true.  Dig it...

     

    RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street

    RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street is the story of a young man who dreams of stardom but can’t quite shake everything he’s learned growing up in the family car business.

    RUSE lives in a unique intersection of Hollywood and Wall Street as Robert tries to straddle both worlds: interacting with entertainment legends as a burgeoning actor while making ends meet as corporate spy, coaxing people inside big Wall Street firms to reveal information and secrets that could bring down companies worth billions of dollars—and bring him into the crosshairs of the authorities.

     

    About Robert Kerbek

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    1 hr and 19 mins
  • Chris Humphreys: Forest Gump Ain’t Got Shit on This Guy
    May 26 2022

     

     

    “I’m like a dog chasing cars, I wouldn’t know what to do if I caught one, you know, I just do…things.”

    -- The Joker, The Dark Knight, 2008, Jonathon and Christopher Nolan

     

    Matt Stephenson welcomes Chris Humphreys to pm73media. How does a nice boy from Metro Washington DC start playing pro football (or soccer for you heathens) in England, then move on to multiple other international squads before landing in the United States Army as a linguist with a focus on security? After that... how does he become a leading expert for state and national cybersecurity initiatives? And just how many Pulp Fiction references can they make in a single show? Dig it...

     

    About Chris Humphreys

    Chris Humphreys (@CBHumphreys) is the Founder and CEO of The Anfield Group Inc. which provides cybersecurity, regulatory, and technological strategic advisement to all Critical Infrastructure sectors.

    He is an internationally recognized thought leader and evangelist in the industry verticals of Cybersecurity, Critical Infrastructure Protection, Intelligence Operations, Data Privacy and Regulatory Compliance.

    With over 20 years of experience, Chris has written National-Level policy on cybersecurity and Critical Infrastructure Protection as well as served as the first Cyber Regulator for Electric Utilities within the Texas Region and across North America.

    Chris has provided testimony for both the Senate and House of Rep on Data Privacy regulation and as a Legislative Advisor for Cybersecurity and Data Privacy Regulation.

     

    About Matt Stephenson

    My name is Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) and I have hosted podcasts, videos and live events all over the world which put me with experts on every corner of the cybersecurity landscape. pm73media is my first solo endeavor. On this platform and others to come, I will continue to expand upon the tradition we started with the Insecurity podcast as I seek out the leading minds in the tech industry and beyond. I am always looking for fun people who may break things every now and again.

    In 20 years in the ecosystem of Data Protection and Cybersecurity I have toured the world extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to information security, these technologies can wrong-foot the bad guys.

    Whether in person, live virtual events or podcasting, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of technology and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy.

    Wherever I go, my job is all about talking with the people who build, manage or wreck the systems that we have put in place to make the world go round...

     

    If you tuned in to any of my previous podcasts, there’s great news…! pm73media is here! I will be bringing the same kind of energy and array of guests you know and love. Best part? We’re still at the same spot. You can find it at Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music & Audible as well as GooglePlay, Gaana, Himalaya, I Heart Radio and wherever you get your podcasts!

     

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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • Mike Fraser: Developers... Adapt or DIE!
    May 18 2022
        How can we make a better mousetrap if the designers of and the materials that go into the contemporary mousetraps aren’t good enough to keep pace with the current mouse?   Adapt or perish… now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative  --HG Wells   It is not the strongest species that survie, nor the most intelligent… but the ones most responsive to change  --Charles Darwin   You improvise! You adapt! You overcome!  -- Gunnery Sgt Tom Highway; Heartbreak Ridge   All due respect to the United States Air Force   Do you know what SecDevOps is? Do you know how when or why the concept applies to cybersecurity and the world at large? What if I told you that there are people out there who personify the definition of what we identify as SecDevOps.   Well… I gotta guy…   On today’s episode, Matt Stephenson welcomes Mike Fraser, VP of DevSecOps at Sophos. We take a look at the role that developers can and must play in the world of cybersecurity. These aren’t the folks building the security building... the are the ones making the bricks and hammers used to construct that building. How important are the materials used to construct the very infrastructure of an entire industry? Tune in and find out...   About Mike Fraser Mike Fraser is Vice President of DevSecOps at Sophos. Previously, he was co-founder, CEO and chief architect at Refactr (acquired by Sophos in 2021) where he spearheaded the creation of a DevSecOps automation platform that bridges the gap between DevOps and cybersecurity.   Mike is a regular speaker at numerous industry events, including Hashiconf, Hashitalks, KubeSec, various Microsoft events, RedHat AnsibleFest, DevOps Days, and All Day DevOps.   He has also published several feature articles including on TechCrunch, RSA 365, and DevOps.com.   In addition to his Sophos role, Mike helps advise other veteran-led software startups. While leading Refactr, Mike earned a bachelor's degree in application development from North Seattle College and has a master's degree in computer science from Seattle University.   He is also, and it is clearly stated on his CV, the World’s Coolest Dad   About Matt Stephenson My name is Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) and I have hosted podcasts, videos and live events all over the world which put me with experts on every corner of the cybersecurity landscape. pm73media is my first solo endeavor. On this platform and others to come, I will continue to expand upon the tradition we started with the Insecurity podcast as I seek out the leading minds in the tech industry and beyond. I am always looking for fun people who may break things every now and again.   In 20 years in the ecosystem of Data Protection and Cybersecurity I have toured the world extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to information security, these technologies can wrong-foot the bad guys.   Whether in person, live virtual events or podcasting, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of technology and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy.   Wherever I go, my job is all about talking with the people who build, manage or wreck the systems that we have put in place to make the world go round...   If you tuned in to any of my previous podcasts, there’s great news…! pm73media is here! I will be bringing the same kind of energy and array of guests you know and love. Best part? We’re still at the same spot. You can find it at Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music & Audible as well as GooglePlay, Gaana, Himalaya, I Heart Radio and wherever you get your podcasts!   Make sure you Subscribe, Rate and Review!
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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • Matt Donato: Rethinking your Strategy in the Hunt for Cybersecurity Talent
    May 10 2022
    Standing in line, marking time Waiting for the welfare dime 'Cause they can't buy a job The man in the silk suit hurries by As he catches the poor old ladies' eyes Just for fun he says, "get a job" That's just the way it is Some things will never change That's just the way it is Ah, but don't you believe them  -- Bruce Hornsby You tired of hearing about that 3.5 million open cybersecurity jobs number? You know for the open I like to bring either culture or data… let’s go with some data this time. How bout we dig a little deeper? There are nearly 465,000 unfilled cyber jobs across the nation. (ISC)2 says that globally, the cybersecurity industry is short 3.1 million workers and that in the U.S. alone, another 879,000 are needed. Analytics Insight forecasts 10,006,993 new job openings in cybersecurity by 2023 compared to 3,241,800 job openings in 2019 Cybersecurity has the widest gap between the workforce skills needs and the people who possess those skillsMIT Technology Review fewer than 25% of applicants are qualified for open positions. Medium reports that ICO fines, incessantly evolving threats, and fewer tools are "creating exhaustion" among cybersecurity professionals. Let’s add this from a Google search… As we are all more than likely familiar with how Google searches work. This… from the “People also ask” section Is cybersecurity a high paying job?Is cyber security a good career?What jobs can you do with cyber security?What are 3 jobs in cybersecurity? Valid questions one and all… What is actually happening in the world of Cybersecurity talent? Well… I got A Guy…   Today Matt Stephenson welcomes Matt Donato, Executive Director at cybersecurity talent firm CyberSN. We dig deep into all that is happening the world of cybersecurity with regard to is working where, why they join, why they leave and why even work for someone else at all. From the Great Resignation to the Great Opportunity there has never been a more dynamic time in the world of Cybersecurity. And we have just the expert to navigate these choppy waters… dig it…   About Matt Donato Matt Donato is an Executive Direact at CyberSN. He is an accomplished business leader in the field of cybersecurity executive search, staffing, workforce solutions, human capital management, client acquisition, business development, and relationship management.  Matt has over 16 years of experience in professional recruiting, talent management, strategic consulting, and staffing experience in all facets within the cybersecurity industry as well as staffing in the security, risk management technology, finance, operations, and engineering sectors.  Once upon a time, he played Top Flight college Lacrosse. While he may not do that any more, he still plays a pretty mean guitar.   About Matt Stephenson My name is Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) and I have hosted podcasts, videos and live events all over the world which put me with experts on every corner of the cybersecurity landscape. pm73media is my first solo endeavor. On this platform and others to come, I will continue to expand upon the tradition we started with the Insecurity podcast as I seek out the leading minds in the tech industry and beyond. I am always looking for fun people who may break things every now and again. In 20 years in the ecosystem of Data Protection and Cybersecurity I have toured the world extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to information security, these technologies can wrong-foot the bad guys. Whether in person, live virtual events or podcasting, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of technology and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy. Wherever I go, my job is all about talking with the people who build, manage or wreck the systems that we have put in place to make the world go round...   If you tuned in to any of my previous podcasts, there’s great news…! pm73media is here! I will be bringing the same kind of energy and array of guests you know and love. Best part? We’re still at the same spot. You can find it at Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music & Audible as well as GooglePlay, Gaana, Himalaya, I Heart Radio and wherever you get your podcasts!   Make sure you Subscribe, Rate and Review!
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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • Greg Fitzgerald: Notes from a Serial Startup CMO
    Apr 25 2022
      “Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do.”  —Steve Jobs   “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”    —Wayne Gretzy   “If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough.”  —Mario Andretti   Sometimes our show has very eloquently prepared blogs that would bring a tear to Shakespeare’s eye… sometimes we offer Shonda Rhimes level quippy thoughts that should get us a spot writing for Inventing Anna   How bout for today we go with straight up statistics • The Small Business Administration (SBA) defines a "small" business as one with 500 employees or less. • In 2019, the failure rate of startups was around 90%. Research concludes 21.5% of startups fail in the first year, 30% in the second year, 50% in the fifth year, and 70% in their 10th year.   Courtesy of Investopedia   Who the hell would even want to do this?   Who the hell would leave a comfortable position in the corporate world complete with benefits, an expense account and really REALLY good coffee in the breakroom? Beyond that… what kind of lunatic keeps doing it over and over again? Well friends… I your lunatic right here…Today Matt Stephenson welcomes Greg Fitzgerald, co-founder of Sevco Security and sereal startup CMO. Our man isn’t that interested if a company has over tons employees. He’s here to build, not maintain…Dig it.   About Greg Fitzgerald     Greg Fitzgerald is the Chief Experience Officer and co-founder of Sevco Security. He is a veteran IT and Security executive with successful tours at TippingPoint, BMC Software, Fortinet and Sourcefire. Fitz was the founding CMO at Cylance and JASK.    About Matt Stephenson     My name is Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) and I have hosted podcasts, videos and live events all over the world which put me with experts on every corner of the cybersecurity landscape. pm73media is my first solo endeavor. On this platform and others to come, I will continue to expand upon the tradition we started with the Insecurity podcast as I seek out the leading minds in the tech industry and beyond. I am always looking for fun people who may break things every now and again.    In 20 years in the ecosystem of Data Protection and Cybersecurity I have toured the world extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to information security, these technologies can wrong-foot the bad guys.    Whether in person, live virtual events or podcasting, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of technology and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy.    Wherever I go, my job is all about talking with the people who build, manage or wreck the systems that we have put in place to make the world go round...   If you tuned in to any of my previous podcasts, there’s great news…! pm73media is here! I will be bringing the same kind of energy and array of guests you know and love. Best part? We’re still at the same spot. You can find it at Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music & Audible as well as Google, Gaana, Himalaya, I Heart Radio and wherever you get your podcasts!   Make sure you Subscribe, Rate and Review!
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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • Jamil Jaffer: Is Big Tech Horrible for America?
    Apr 13 2022
      It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity -- Albert Einstein It is only when they go wrong that machines remind you how powerful they are -- Clive James, writer and poet If future generations are to remember us more with gratitude than sorrow, we must achieve more than just the miracles of technology. We must also leave them a glimpse of the world as it was created, not just as it looked when we got through with it -- Lyndon B. Johnson The advance of technology is based on making it fit in so that you don't really even notice it, so it's part of everyday life.” -- Bill Gates Five years ago, Google ran a Super Bowl ad for its Google Home device… it woke actual devices belonging to users watching the ad. In 2017 Burger King released a TV ad to deliberately trigger Google Home devices to start talking about Whopper burgers. An actor in the ad says directly to the camera, “Okay Google, what is the Whopper burger?” The ad wasn’t done in partnership with Google To add some meta-context to this… while doing the research for today’s show, a commercial popped up during the media hit our guest did on MSNBC talking about “announcing our preganancy.” In the ad, the newly crowned grampa chirped: Make sure to like and subscribe Nervous yet? I’m not saying you should be… Today’s guest has some questions about the role that Big Tech has now assumed in all of our lives… Whether we invite them in or not Today Matt Stephenson welcomes Jamil Jaffer for a loud and rowdy chat about… well… kind of everything that is going on right now. We talk about what is happening in Ukraine and the impact on the world of cybersecurity. We take a stroll down the path of what Big Tech is doing to the fabric of society. I even ask the Pulitzer worthy question: NFTs… Bullshit or not? Dig it. About Jamil Jaffer Jamil Jaffer (@jamil_n_jaffer) is the Founder and Executive Director of the National Security Institute, and an Assistant Professor of Law and Director of the National Security Law & Policy Program at the Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University. He also sits on the board at IronNet Cybersecurity, a technology products startup founded by Gen (ret.) Keith B. Alexander, the former Director of the National Security Agency and Founding Commander of U.S. Cyber Command. In addition, Jamil is an advisor to Beacon Global Strategies, a strategic advisory firm; 4iQ, a deep and dark web intelligence startup; Duco, a technology platform startup that connects corporations with geopolitical and international business experts; and Amber, a digital authentication and verification startup. Among other things, Jamil currently serves on the Board of Directors for the Greater Washington Board of Trade, the Board of Advisors for the Global Cyber Alliance, and the Advisory Board of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies’ Center on Cyber and Tech Innovation, and is a member of the Center for a New American Security’s Artificial Intelligence and National Security Task Force and the CNAS Digital Freedom Forum. Jamil is also affiliated with Stanford University’s Center for International Security and Cooperation. Prior to his current positions, Jamil served on Capitol Hill in a variety of roles, including on the leadership team of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and as a senior staff member of the House Intelligence Committee. Jamil also previously served in the Bush Administration in a number of positions, including on the leadership team of the Justice Department’s National Security Division and in the White House as an Associate Counsel to President George W. Bush. Jamil holds degrees with honors from UCLA, the University of Chicago Law School, and the United States Naval War College. About Matt Stephenson My name is Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) and I have hosted podcasts, videos and live events all over the world which put me with experts on every corner of the cybersecurity landscape. pm73media is my first solo endeavor. On this platform and others to come, I will continue to expand upon the tradition we started with the Insecurity podcast as I seek out the leading minds in the tech industry and beyond. I am always looking for fun people who may break things every now and again. In 20 years in the ecosystem of Data Protection and Cybersecurity I have toured the world extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to information security, these technologies can wrong-foot the bad guys. Whether in person, live virtual events or podcasting, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of technology and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy. Wherever I go, my job is all about talking with the people who build, ...
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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • nez&pez: Going Meta with the Idea of Founder Identity
    Apr 5 2022
      If you’re a founder of a company whose purpose is to tell the story of other companies… how do you tell the story of your own company… and your own story?   Jim Garrison : And who killed the President? David Ferrie : Oh man, why don't you fuckin' stop it? Shit, this is too fuckin' big for you, you know that? Who did the president, who killed Kennedy, fuck man! It's a mystery! It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma! The fuckin' shooters don't even know! Don't you get it?    -- JFK; 1991, written and directed by Oliver Stone   Okay… that is completely out of context, but focus on the last couple of lines and take a walk with me… One of the hardest things to do in cybersecurity is get your message out in a way that people understand   Let’s go back to the Jared Vennett quote from The Big Short (yes they even made a book out of it) Yeah, you got a soundbite you repeat so you don't sound dumb, but come on…   What do you do when your tech is so good, so cutting edge, so relevant… and so hard to get people to understand?   You go find the people who specialize in storytelling… and have them craft your story   Today Matt Stephenson welcomes Laurie Donato and Ruben Lopez, the founders of nez&pez, a Charlotte based PR & Advertising company for a chat about going down the rabbit hole when it comes to being a startup. When your calling is to help others build their own brand… how do you build your copmany’s brand? How do you build your own personal brand? And… as a founder… can you even take time for yourself to just be… yourself? Dig it.   About nez&pez nez&pez is a A Charlotte based company focusing on Cybersecurity, Branding, Advertising, Promotional Ideas and Buzz generating Ideas. They are Internationally awarded for their work including multiple Radio Mercury Awards, multiple The One Show awards, Canne Lions (yes… as in the Cannes Film Festival, as well as Clio and Effie Awards.   Laurie Donato Laurie Donato is a co-founder at nez&pez. She is a pioneer of the imagination, on an exploration of the mind. Laurie is willing to go where no one has gone before where is always in search of the perfect idea.   She has 20 years in the world of marketing and advertising with clients running the gamut from cybersecurity to big restaurant chains to freight hauling.     Ruben Lopez   Ruben Lopez is a co-founder at nez&pez. He gets inspired by striving for big disruptive ideas that move the needle. That is what gets him up every morning… seizing every opportunity to do kick ass work for any and all brands that have the courage to get noticed   He has 20 years in the marketing and advertising world with clients running from to the steel industry, big fruit conglomeratesas well as utitlities     About Matt Stephenson My name is Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) and I have hosted podcasts, videos and live events all over the world which put me with experts on every corner of the cybersecurity landscape. pm73media is my first solo endeavor. On this platform and others to come, I will continue to expand upon the tradition we started with the Insecurity podcast as I seek out the leading minds in the tech industry and beyond. I am always looking for fun people who may break things every now and again.   In 20 years in the ecosystem of Data Protection and Cybersecurity I have toured the world extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to information security, these technologies can wrong-foot the bad guys.   Whether in person, live virtual events or podcasting, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of technology and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy.   Wherever I go, my job is all about talking with the people who build, manage or wreck the systems that we have put in place to make the world go round...   If you tuned in to any of my previous podcasts, there’s great news…! pm73media is here! I will be bringing the same kind of energy and array of guests you know and love. Best part? We’re still at the same spot. You can find it at Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music & Audible as well as GooglePlay, Gaana, Himalaya, I Heart Radio and wherever you get your podcasts!   Make sure you Subscribe, Rate and Review!
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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • Bill Hunter: Water Can Flow or It Can Crash
    Mar 25 2022
        "Be Water, My Friend. Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless, like water. You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend."  -- Bruce Lee   After all of the bullshit of the past couple of years… what do you do? How do you evolve? In these turbulent times, are we reinventing ourselves? Are we reimagining ourselves? Are you a sequel? Are you a reboot? We’re stepping well outside the normal conventions of our tech industry chats for this one. Matt Stephenson welcomes back C-Suite Exec and Board Member at Large Bill Hunter to for a free for all chat about what life looks like for an industry leader and corporate executive as we are supposedly entering a post-pandemic world. What do you do to stay sane after the recent insanity? Be Water My Friend… so sayeth the Master. About Bill Hunter   Bill Hunter is Strategic and Financial C-Suite Executive and Board Member as well as SPAC leader. He is a respected and experienced Industrial and Renewable Materials Private Equity and C-Suite professional helping to transition companies in an ESG focused environment. Bill is on the Board of Directors at American Battery Metals Corp., AMCI Euro-Holdings BV and Advent Technologies Holdings, Inc. He was previously employed as a President, CEO, CFO & Director by AMCI Acquisition Corp., a Managing Director by Dahlman Rose & Co. LLC, a Vice President by BMO Nesbitt Burns, Inc. (US), an Associate by NatWest Markets Equity Corp., a Financial Analyst by KPMG LLP, a Principal by Jefferies LLC, and a Principal by TD Securities (USA) LLC. He also served on the board at Nomura Securities International, Inc. and Teneo Capital LLC. He received his undergraduate degree from DePaul University, an MBA from Kellstadt Graduate School of Business and an MBA from DePaul University     About Matt Stephenson My name is Matt Stephenson (@packmatt73) and I have hosted podcasts, videos and live events all over the world which put me with experts on every corner of the cybersecurity landscape. pm73media is my first solo endeavor. On this platform and others to come, I will continue to expand upon the tradition we started with the Insecurity podcast as I seek out the leading minds in the tech industry and beyond. I am always looking for fun people who may break things every now and again. In 20 years in the ecosystem of Data Protection and Cybersecurity I have toured the world extolling the virtues of Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning and how, when applied to information security, these technologies can wrong-foot the bad guys. Whether in person, live virtual events or podcasting, I get to interview interesting people doing interesting things all over the world of technology and the extended world of hacking. Sometimes, that means hacking elections or the coffee supply chain... other times that means social manipulation or the sovereign wealth fund of a national economy. Wherever I go, my job is all about talking with the people who build, manage or wreck the systems that we have put in place to make the world go round... If you tuned in to any of my previous podcasts, there’s great news…! pm73media is here! I will be bringing the same kind of energy and array of guests you know and love. Best part? We’re still at the same spot. You can find it at Spotify, Apple, Amazon Music & Audible as well as GooglePlay, Gaana, Himalaya, I Heart Radioand wherever you get your podcasts!   Make sure you Subscribe, Rate and Review!
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    1 hr and 1 min