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When Shift Happens Podcast

When Shift Happens Podcast

By: Kevin Follonier
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I sit down every week with the most based people in crypto. My goal is to create a safe space to have the deepest and most real conversations with the biggest builders and investors in the industry, as well as to help educate the mainstream people, politicians, celebrities and big Web2 entrepreneurs coming into Web3. Hopefully this platform does its little part in onboarding as many people as possible into the incredible world of opportunities that Web 3 offers, while staying true to crypto’s core values and ethos. Thank you for watching.Kevin Follonier Economics Personal Finance
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  • E167: Bitwise Advisor: Why Buying a House Is the Worst Investment You Can Make
    Apr 16 2026

    Jeff Park is a macro strategist and Bitwise advisor who believes the financial system is broken beyond repair for young people - from unaffordable housing to AI displacing an entire generation's jobs.

    He breaks down why real estate is actually a depreciating asset, why Bitcoin is the ultimate escape, and how AI will ignite the biggest wave of Bitcoin adoption the world has ever seen.

    THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER

    💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter

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    PARTNERS

    🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/

    💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT

    🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.

    Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...

    🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/

    ⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/

    🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/

    💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure.

    https://sui.io/

    ♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.

    https://www.coinsilium.com

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    Follow Jeff Park

    • Twitter: https://x.com/dgt10011

    • Twitter: https://x.com/Bitwise

    • Website: https://substack.com/@jeffpark1

    FOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENS

    Twitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinfollonier_

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/

    Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/

    DISCLAIMER

    The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.

    0:00 Introduction

    1:33 Please Subscribe

    1:59 Jeff & Kevin’s Fitness Discussion

    6:15 Who Is Jeff Park?

    8:03 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz

    8:43 How Diversity In America Can Be A Strength & Weakness?

    12:28 What We’re Seeing Today From A Broken Financial System

    25:28 How Does Someone Combat This Home Buying Investment Crisis?

    28:46 Why Bitcoin Solves This K-Shaped Wealth Problem

    32:15 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub

    33:17 The Intelligent Investor Framework Explained

    37:20 What Does The Ideological Investor Do?

    40:35 How Data Plays A Huge Role In Wealth Creation

    47:01 What Tokenization Brings To The Investing Space

    48:09 Is Investing Now Off Limits For Average People?

    50:06 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork

    1:02:04 The Occupy AI Moment That’ll Turn GenZ & Gen Alpha Into Bitcoiners Explained

    1:05:36 How Is Bitcoin The Answer When Everything Else Gets Abandoned

    1:10:26 Jeff’s Thoughts On “Is It Too Late” For People To Invest In Bitcoin

    1:12:36 Should Someone Be More Offensive Using Bitcoin In Their Portfolio

    1:15:49 How Jeff Prepares His Kids For This Occupy AI Future

    1:17:50 Closing Thoughts


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    1 hr and 19 mins
  • E166: Bitget CEO From Divorced Single Mom to Running a $20B/Day Crypto Exchange
    Apr 9 2026

    Gracy Chen went from a divorced single mom to CEO of Bitget, a top 5 crypto exchange doing $20B in daily volume with 25 million users.


    THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER

    💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter

    ___________

    PARTNERS

    🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/

    💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT

    🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.

    Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...

    🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/

    ⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/

    🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/

    💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure.

    https://sui.io/

    ♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.

    https://www.coinsilium.com

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    Follow Gracy Chen

    • Twitter: https://x.com/GracyBitget

    • Twitter: https://x.com/bitget

    • Website: https://linktr.ee/bitgetofficials

    FOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENS

    Twitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/

    Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/


    DISCLAIMER

    The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.

    0:00 Introduction

    1:34 Please Subscribe

    2:00 The Only Bad Experience With When Shift Happens

    3:47 Gracy’s T-Shirt & Where It Came From

    4:37 How Do We Motivate More Women To Join The Crypto Space

    6:13 Bitget’s Overall Work Environment Explained

    7:06 How Gracy Manages 2,200 Remote Workers

    10:09 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz

    10:50 Who Is Gracy Chen?

    13:04 Where Does Gracy’s Fire In The Belly Come From?

    15:01 Why Is It Necessary To Go To The Best Schools

    22:23 Why Gracy Left Acumulus?

    23:45 The Hardest Part About Building A Business

    28:52 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub

    41:36 What Is Bitget, Explained Simply?

    43:55 Gracy’s Breakdown Of Bitget’s Numbers

    45:09 How Bitget Got Over 40% Of Its Management Team To Be Female

    46:48 Where Women Excel In Terms Of Business Management Practice

    50:45 Where Do Men Excel In Business Management Practice

    52:20 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork

    53:17 What Are Gracy’s KPIs As The CEO Of Bitget?

    56:45 How Bitget Is Growing The Pie To Continue Expanding

    1:03:40 What’s The Endgame For Bitget?

    1:05:49 Why Can Anyone Become A CEO?

    1:09:28 Running A 2,200 Employee Company While Taking Care Of A Kid, How?

    1:11:22 How Has Bitget Evolved Since Gracy Joined In 2022

    1:17:12 What The Voice In Gracy’s Head Tells Her In The Morning & Evening

    1:20:05 One Thing Gracy’s Learned That You Can Take With You

    1:24:31 Closing Thoughts


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    1 hr and 26 mins
  • E165: Backpack CEO: How I Survived Crypto's Biggest Collapse, Then Built a $420B Exchange
    Apr 2 2026

    Armani Ferrante is the Founder and CEO of Backpack, a regulated global crypto exchange with over $420 billion in trading volume and one of the leading builders in the Solana ecosystem.


    THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER

    💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter

    ___________

    PARTNERS

    🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/

    💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT

    🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence.

    Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...

    🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/

    ⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/

    🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/

    💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure.

    https://sui.io/

    ♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies.

    https://www.coinsilium.com

    ___________

    Follow Armani Ferrante

    • Twitter: https://x.com/armaniferrante

    • Twitter: https://x.com/Backpack

    • Website: https://backpack.exchange/

    FOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENS

    Twitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinfollonier_

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/

    Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/

    DISCLAIMER

    The info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.

    0:00 Introduction

    1:32 Please Subscribe

    1:56 Michelle Fuko & Her Philosophical View On The Panopticon Metaphor

    5:25 Armani’s Answer To This Philosophical View In Regards To Crypto

    7:50 Who Is Armani Ferrante?

    8:39 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz

    9:19 Where Armani’s Chip On The Shoulder Comes From

    10:43 Getting Hired Twice At Alameda Research Twice Explained

    13:46 Being Able To Work On Early Solana Projects

    14:43 Why Instead Of Going To FTX Did Armani Go & Build His Own Exchange?

    18:26 Was There Ever Any FOMO From Not Joining FTX?

    23:32 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub

    24:34 How Armani & Backpack Got Affected By The FTX Collapse

    36:25 What’s The TLDR On The MadLad Story

    42:03 How Important Was The MadLad Story For Backpack?

    43:40 Armani’s Deepest Belief On What Crypto Should Be

    51:59 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork

    52:55 Explain Backpack To Your Uber Driver

    57:36 Most Of Crypto Is Currently A Test Bed

    1:04:15 Percentage Of People Think They Own Shares From Huge Companies But Really Don’t

    1:06:41 What Unified Margin Accounts Solve & Why You Should Care

    1:15:20 Why Armani Left Sunny California For Tokyo Japan

    1:17:18 Why These Huge Exchanges Don’t Exist In Japan

    1:18:43 How Did Backpack Acquire Licenses At A fraction Of The Cost Compared To FTX

    1:21:53 Closing Thoughts


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    1 hr and 23 mins
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