In this powerhouse episode, Christopher sits down with two icons in school psychology—Dr. John Kelly, former NASP President and lifelong advocate for equitable practice, and Dr. Jack Naglieri, renowned cognitive assessment researcher and co-developer of the KABC and CAS.

Together, they take listeners on a journey through the history and evolution of intelligence testing, unpacking how assessment practices have both shaped and been shaped by systemic inequities. From the origins of cognitive theory to the modern-day implications of PASS theory and test fairness, Jack and John bring decades of insight and candor to the conversation.

They also share reflections on their own careers—balancing science, advocacy, and humanity—and offer advice for early-career practitioners seeking to expand their roles beyond testing. Expect wisdom, humor, and a few sailing and guitar stories along the way.

Topics include:

• The difference between test bias and test fairness
• Why subtest interpretation may be scientifically unsound
• How systemic inequities impact identification of gifted and diverse learners
• The role of school psychologists as advocates for equity and comprehensive services

In this episode, Christopher, Amy, and Brooke sit down with Dr. Eric Rossen, Executive Director of the National Association of School Psychologists (NASP), for an inside look at how the largest school psychology organization in the world operates. Dr. Rossen breaks down NASP’s structure, decision-making, and advocacy strategy—offering candid insight into how policies are shaped, how the organization decides when to speak out, and what “DRIP” (Discipline, Restraint, Intentionality, Prioritization) means for meaningful advocacy.

From balancing science and leadership to a sneak peek into NASP’s new youth mental health documentary featuring Andy Garcia, this conversation sheds light on what it really takes to lead a national professional association. The episode closes on a lighter note, with favorite road trips, celebrity crushes, and a hilarious debate about why umbrellas are overrated.

Social Handles:

Christopher Ponce

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Music by: J. Andrew Collins

In this episode, Christopher sits down with Taisha Torres, a bilingual school psychologist whose journey from New York City to Texas reveals the beauty and complexity of serving diverse communities. Taisha shares how a college course unexpectedly led her into school psychology, the mentorship that shaped her path, and the lessons learned from working in culturally rich and high-need settings.

Together, they explore the nuances of bilingual advocacy, the balance between structure and flexibility in parent-teacher meetings, and the differences between school systems across regions. Taisha also opens up about her experiences as a mom, her authentic approach to parenting content, and her upcoming bilingual children’s book featuring a neurodivergent student named Matteo.

This conversation blends professional insight with real-life reflection—reminding us that behind every data point and IEP meeting, there’s a story rooted in culture, care, and community.

Social Handles:

Christopher Ponce

• Instagram - @theschoolpsychguy
• LinkedIn - Christopher Ponce

Taisha Torres

• Instagram -@taisharising
• TikTok - @taisharising

Music by: J. Andrew Collins

@taisharising