Equity and Intelligence: A Conversation with Dr. Kelly & Dr. Naglieri

In this powerhouse episode, Christopher sits down with two icons in school psychology—Dr. John Kelly, former NASP President and lifelong advocate for equitable practice, and Dr. Jack Naglieri, renowned cognitive assessment researcher and co-developer of the KABC and CAS.

Together, they take listeners on a journey through the history and evolution of intelligence testing, unpacking how assessment practices have both shaped and been shaped by systemic inequities. From the origins of cognitive theory to the modern-day implications of PASS theory and test fairness, Jack and John bring decades of insight and candor to the conversation.

They also share reflections on their own careers—balancing science, advocacy, and humanity—and offer advice for early-career practitioners seeking to expand their roles beyond testing. Expect wisdom, humor, and a few sailing and guitar stories along the way.

Topics include:

• The difference between test bias and test fairness
• Why subtest interpretation may be scientifically unsound
• How systemic inequities impact identification of gifted and diverse learners
• The role of school psychologists as advocates for equity and comprehensive services