In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined again by guest Ash Hunt, Global CISO at Apex Group Ltd.

Today, Ash shares how he transitioned from his career as a jazz musician into the vastly different world of cyber security. He also reveals his tips as a leader and a decision-maker. Listen to the episode to learn more about Ash’s unique professional journey, how security leaders inhibit their candidate search, and the secrets behind an empowered staff.

Listen to Steve and Ash discuss the power of delegation and how to determine the best time to find a new role:

Ash’s Return (1:39)

Ash returns to the podcast to share how he achieved his cyber security start. Initially touring as a jazz musician in London, Ash acknowledges how his past has helped him with his current career.

Fresh Challenges (10:13)

Ash explains when to seek new challenges to avoid professional stagnation.

He believes that when a company gets more out of him than he is out of that company, it is time to move on. This mentality has helped him decide when to leave an opportunity for a fresh one.

Being Creative (17:21)

Steve and Ash discuss the impact that they can have on others early in their careers. Ash tries to expose his interns to the industry as much as possible because there are so many exciting things to do in tech.

He believes leaders should be more creative when judging and developing talent. For Ash, creative compromise, persuasion, stakeholder management, and communication are skills that he considers when evaluating potential candidates.

Ownership and Delegation (22:01)

While discussing the importance of enabling your staff, Ash asserts what makes an effective leader. Allowing your team to own their work and delegating tasks creates an empowered and productive company culture.

Evaluating Loss (26:37)

Steve presses Ash on how he handles approaching inefficiencies at work, such as issues with AI, to the executive team. Ash’s answer is to follow the money and expose what people think is true, but it turns out to be the opposite.

Loss is rarely tracked, but pinpointing those causes can benefit your organization.

The Cost of a Breach (33:19)

Staying on the topic of loss, Steve and Ash reflect on the vast cost of a data breach and inefficient client management. Although Ash acknowledges that technology will be able to solve these issues over time, there is no harm in prioritizing clear data reports now.

New CISO (38:01)

To Ash, being a new CISO means converging cyber with technology. Ultimately, it is about working smarter, not harder, as a team.

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In this episode of The New CISO, Steve is joined by guest Ash Hunt, Global CISO at Apex Group Ltd.

Today, Steve and Ash dive into the action of M&A (mergers and acquisitions) and how to conduct it well. As a CISO at one of the world’s largest administrators, Ash shares his valuable insight on loss, risk, and revenue generation in a constantly changing IT environment. Tune in to learn more about what causes loss during a merger, why decision management and risk management are one and the same, and the cultural changes in the security industry.

Listen to Steve and Ash discuss how to quantify loss and what jaywalking and cyber security have in common.

Meet Ash (1:34)

Ash shares that he is proud to work for a fast-moving organization that has expanded worldwide. This growth has led to an exciting time from a technology and cybersecurity perspective.

Successful M&A (5:16)

Steve presses Ash on how to conduct M&A successfully. What hurts a business during an acquisition is when there are breaks in infrastructure that get overlooked.

Luckily for Ash, he has a strong team that prioritizes infrastructure integration to avoid loss and increase revenue.

Things in Common (12:25)

Ash reveals what jaywalking and risk have in common. For example, everyone in London jaywalks, but like in cyber security, there is a degree of risk.

Risk Management (15:10)

According to Ash, risk management is decision management. Decision science is a critical part of Ash’s approach to security.

Psychological barriers in the workplace halt optimal investment decisions that can generate revenue.

Adding Value (25:36)

Ash acknowledges that his most significant contribution toward his company is successfully integrating their infrastructure into one operating platform. He knows it will rationalize his tool stacks and clean up his budget, amongst other benefits.

He has seen other companies experience operation inefficiency, access control failure, and inadvertent data disclosure, which he actively prevents.

Changing the Operation Process (30:48)

Steve and Ash marvel at the operational changes that need to be done in security. For example, many people still default to email versus a more secure portal for data exchange.

In order to mitigate risk, cultural changes need to be made to operational processes.

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In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve is joined again by guest Ron Banks, CISO at Toyota Financial Services.

In part two of his interview series, Ron shares his career advice for new cyber leaders. Listen to the episode to learn more about Ron’s take on China’s strategies, the importance of being inquisitive, and why we must be calm under chaos.

Listen to Steve and Ron discuss key attributes CISOs look for in a young manager and the importance of communication and leadership:

Where We Left Off (1:43)

Piggy-backing from the last episode’s conversation, Ron explains the current state of our security concerning China and how they’ve recently gone dark. According to Ron, China has been playing 3D chess for a while and has found tangible ways to disrupt American life.

A Shoutout To Ron (10:19)

Steve gives a shoutout to Ron’s book, highlighting the state of American security and its relationship with China. Academic with numerous footnotes, Ron’s work provides readers with meaningful context related to cyber security.

Valuable Advice (12:20)

Ron reflects on the advice he wishes he could have given his younger self. He asserts that there is a path to cyber if you gain a technical foundation. He also shares how you need to be creative and curious to thrive in this industry.

Evaluating Young Leaders (15:16)

Steve presses Ron on how he evaluates young leaders in the security field. For the young manager, you must have the technical chops in addition to the personality.

Managers need leadership and communication skills to inspire their teams. And, of course, practice makes perfect.

Calm Communication (21:50)

Ron and Steve discuss why leaders should practice calm communication. Leaders must put their teams at ease when there is chaos.

New CISO (28:00)

To Ron, being a new CISO means also being a business leader. Bridging the gap between the worlds is becoming more and more necessary as the world progresses.

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