What happens when our desire for climate accountability transforms into cancel culture? In this thought-provoking conversation, author of the book Cancel Culture in Climate, Jenny Morgan breaks down how our collective approach to sustainability communication often backfires, creating fear rather than progress.

Jenny explains what drove her to write "Cancel Culture and Climate" – seeing organizations retreat from public climate commitments out of fear, even as climate impacts intensify around us. She draws a crucial distinction between cancel culture (which permanently labels entities as "bad") and true accountability (which provides clear pathways for improvement).

Through compelling examples like the contrasting approaches of Allbirds and Crocs, she demonstrates how transparency about both achievements and challenges creates space for collective advancement. Rather than celebrating the downfall of competitors, Allbirds showed how industry-wide collaboration benefits everyone – a refreshing alternative to the "schadenfreude" that often dominates sustainability conversations.

For businesses struggling with sustainability goals, Jenny offers practical frameworks for honest communication. Instead of burying setbacks in dense reports or glossing over them with vague marketing language, she recommends directly addressing why certain targets weren't met and what's needed to overcome obstacles. This transparency invites stakeholders to contribute solutions rather than simply criticize failures.

Most importantly, Jenny reminds us that behind every business decision are human beings with complex motivations. Her "motivational conversation" approach encourages exploring with curiosity, actively listening, and discovering shared values – whether communicating with family members, colleagues, or competing businesses. "If we're just focused on winning the argument," she cautions, "we will lose the argument ultimately."

Discover how replacing perfectionism with progress and judgment with curiosity might be our best path forward in addressing climate challenges. Listen now and learn how to have climate conversations that actually work.

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In this special episode of Fireside, Chris Marine and David Gogel of Campfire Consulting are joined by Katie Patrick — Australian-American environmental engineer, author, and self-described “climate action designer.” Katie specializes in “the design of getting people to change,” applying behavioral science and gamification to help communities and businesses drive measurable environmental action.

She’s the author of How to Save the World: How to Make Changing the World the Greatest Game We've Ever Played — a book Forbes named one of the top five for social entrepreneurs, and one that Seth Godin praised as “an urgent and useful guide for anyone who seeks to make a difference. It will change your work for the better.”

Katie is also the founder of Hello World Labs, a platform where she teaches green leaders how to use data, creativity, and game mechanics to boost climate engagement. Most recently, she launched Earth Doctors, a project aimed at empowering kids to become the next generation of planet healers.

In this conversation, we explore:

• Why traditional sustainability messaging often falls flat
• What it means to design for action using behavioral science and systems thinking
• How climate action can be transformed into a compelling, data-driven experience
• And what marketers, creatives, and purpose-driven brands can learn from the world of games

If you care about people, purpose, or the planet — this episode will reframe how you think about impact.

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The future of media isn’t human vs. machine—it’s human with machine. In this episode, Chris Marine and David Gogel from Campfire Consulting sit down with Adriana Richards and Evan Bogris from AI Digital to explore how AI can supercharge media strategy without replacing the human insight that makes campaigns resonate.

We unpack how their DSP-agnostic tech helps brands plan smarter across platforms like Amazon, TikTok, and Trade Desk—while keeping the emotional intelligence, storytelling, and cultural awareness that AI simply can’t replicate in media strategy, planning and media buying.

Curious how to find the right balance in your own media strategy? Reach out to Campfire Consulting and let’s talk about building media that performs and connects.

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