In this episode, I’m joined once again by Avi Loeb, Harvard astrophysicist, head of the Galileo Project, and author of Extraterrestrial and Interstellar.

We dive deep into 3I/ATLAS, the third known interstellar object ever detected, and why it has sparked intense scientific interest and public debate. Avi explains the unusual features of this object, including its anti-tail, orbital alignment, and chemical signatures, and why these anomalies deserve serious scrutiny.

We also discuss the CIA’s “neither confirm nor deny” response to records about 3I/ATLAS, the idea of black swan events, criticism of narrow SETI searches, and why institutional risk-aversion may be holding science back.

This conversation explores interstellar visitors, scientific curiosity, stigma, and what discovering extraterrestrial technology would mean for humanity’s future.

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At the start of 2026, the UFO disclosure conversation appears more fractured than ever. Andy is joined by journalist and Psicoactivo podcast host Pavel to break down David Grusch’s recent comments on The Age of Disclosure, his criticism of senior intelligence figures, and the growing divide within the disclosure movement itself. From insider testimony and documentary narratives to experiencers, biologics, and public readiness, this episode explores where disclosure stands and where it may be heading next.

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In Part 2, the conversation moves from history into consequences.

Andy and Ryan examine how UFO skepticism evolved from scientific caution into something far more strategic. They explore radar interference theories, early claims of recovered craft, and whether figures like Donald Menzel knowingly participated in long-term counterintelligence efforts.

The discussion expands into modern UFO debates, including skepticism versus debunking, the treatment of eyewitness testimony, belief systems, and why the burden of proof in UFO research remains uniquely high.

This episode asks a difficult question: if skepticism was shaped by intelligence needs decades ago, are we still arguing inside rules that were set long before we knew they existed?

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