In this news update, Andy is joined by Dan to discuss Bob Lazar’s return to the headlines, the new S4 documentary, and the fallout from the Chuck Clark footage finally appearing online. They get into whether the film adds anything genuinely new, how Lazar’s story has evolved over time, and why the newly surfaced clip has left so many people arguing over what it really shows. Also in this episode: Anna Paulina Luna’s request for 46 videos, the latest missing scientist discussion, and Kacey Musgraves’ alleged orb sighting.

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Whitley Strieber returns to That UFO Podcast to discuss Transformation 2026, and this is one of the most personal and unsettling conversations we’ve had.

Whitley reflects on the terrifying night he believed his young son had been taken, the wider impact these experiences had on his family, and why he feels the world may be moving toward a form of disclosure that will affect far more than politics. We also get into hybrids, telepathy, trauma, religion, consciousness, and what life could look like in a genuine post-disclosure world.

Whether you agree with Whitley or not, this is a fascinating deep dive into one of the most controversial voices in the UFO conversation.

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The night Whitley thought his son had been taken
Why he brought Transformation back in 2026
How these experiences affected his family
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In Part 2 of my conversation with Skinwalker Ranch biologist Ben Woodruff, we go deeper into some of the strangest claims connected to the ranch.

Ben discusses portals, cryptid sightings, unusual animal behaviour, cattle mutilation theories, supposed time anomalies, and the biological effects he says have been observed on the property. We also get into the dire wolf story, DNA questions, black jaguar claims, and the challenge of separating genuine anomalies from misidentifications, lens flares, and exaggeration.

This is the more detailed and more controversial half of the discussion, as Ben lays out where he thinks the strongest evidence sits, what he believes skeptics get wrong, and why some of the most interesting questions around Skinwalker Ranch are still unresolved.

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Ben Woodruff joins me to talk about his background as a biologist, his own childhood UFO sighting, and how he ended up working on Skinwalker Ranch before the TV series began.

In Part 1, we get into what Ben says he experienced during his earliest time on the ranch, including strange voices, unsettling activity inside the ranch house, and the biological anomalies that first made him realise this place was different. We also discuss the balance between real science and television, what frustrates him about NDA restrictions, and a remarkable story involving one of his trained falcons that he says disappeared in front of them during an experiment on the ranch.

This is a fascinating opening half of a conversation that builds from personal experience into some of the biggest claims Ben says he has witnessed firsthand.

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On the 60th anniversary of the Westall incident, I’m re-releasing this conversation with researcher Shane Ryan, originally recorded in December 2022.

Shane has spent years investigating one of the most remarkable mass sighting cases in UFO history: the 1966 Westall event in Melbourne, Australia, where students, teachers, and others reported seeing strange flying saucer-shaped objects over and near the school grounds.

In this interview, Shane breaks down what witnesses said they saw, the reported aftermath on the ground, the response from authorities, and why the case still stands as one of the most important and debated schoolyard UFO encounters ever reported.

If you’re new to the Westall case, or want to revisit one of the most compelling incidents from outside the United States, this is a great place to start.

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On this episode of That UFO Podcast, Andy is joined by Dan Zetterstrom to break down one of the busiest weeks in the UFO space.

They get into Matt Gaetz and the alien hybrid briefing claims, Tim Burchett’s latest comments about what he says would keep the public up at night, and Anna Paulina Luna’s push for specific UAP videos from Pete Hegseth by April 14th. They also discuss the mystery around General Neil McCasland, the strange appearance of aliens.gov, Bill Maher’s recent UFO segment, new projects linked to Steven Greer and Bob Lazar, and the latest on Steven Spielberg’s Disclosure Day movie.

A wide ranging news roundup with plenty to dig into.

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Andy is joined by documentary filmmaker Darcy Weir to discuss his film Dark Alliance: The Inside Story of the Cosmic Con and the wider world of Secret Space Program claims, Corey Goode, David Wilcock and the ecosystem that has grown around some of the biggest personalities in ufology.

They talk about why these stories gain traction, the crossover between entertainment and belief, the role of platforms like Gaia, and how difficult it can be for audiences to separate genuine mystery from elaborate storytelling. They also touch on Steven Greer, Chris Bledsoe, Bob Lazar, whistleblowers, and why critical thinking matters more than ever in a space where extraordinary claims continue to spread.

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Author, researcher and explorer Timothy Alberino joins me for a deep dive into UFOs, ancient civilizations, biblical history and the mystery schools. We talk about Tim’s formative years in Peru, his own close encounter, and why he sees the modern disclosure conversation as part of a much older and more complex story.

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