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Publisher's Summary
Following her retirement from Princeton University, celebrated historian Dr. Nell Irvin Painter surprised everyone in her life by returning to school - in her 60s - to earn a BFA and MFA in painting. In Old in Art School, she travels from her beloved Newark to the prestigious Rhode Island School of Design; finds meaning in the artists she loves, even as she comes to understand how they may be undervalued; and struggles with the unstable balance between the pursuit of art and the inevitable, sometimes painful, demands of a life fully lived.
How are women and artists seen and judged by their age, looks, and race? What does it mean when someone says, "You will never be an artist?" Who defines what "an artist" is and all that goes with such an identity, and how are these ideas tied to our shared conceptions of beauty, value, and difference?
Old in Art School is Nell Painter's ongoing exploration of those crucial questions. Bringing to bear incisive insights from two careers, Painter weaves a frank, funny, and often surprising tale of her move from academia to art.
A Library Journal Editor's Pick for Spring.
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- Jillian
- 08-07-18
Mixed Feelings
The book is well written and easy to listen to. Nell Painter is a very accomplished academic, as she often points out in the book. It didn't seem like she valued her formal education in the fine arts which made me wonder why she continued to pursue the degrees. To become an artist with a capital "A"? Having said this, she is an intelligent person with the drive and resources to reinvent herself later in life. Her story had a lot of potential to inspire others, but for me personally the book fell flat.
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- Susan
- 07-13-18
Both interesting and boring
Too long and academic but with many important messages about being “old,” black, and female. Interesting to me as a poet because all the arts have similarities. Painter’s struggles with self-confidence will strike a chord with readers in creative professions.
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- Richard Crowe
- 05-05-19
fair to, sadly, middling.
This could have been so much better, even understanding the difficult journey. This is more a psychological journey through a difficult portion of the authors' life. Told mainly through the prisms of BLACK. WOMAN. OLD. (heirarched in that order and clearly meant capitalized...) though not correctly at times, it feels. While I cannot understand the BLACK or WOMAN views, I am coming to understand the OLD. This does not mean I do not empathize with her travails, I do, as best I can, but I have difficulty with excuse making, with a far too volatile, easily offence-taken. Yes, as a BLACK. OLD. WOMAN. who had lived through multiple generations of a society that has minimalised, marginalized, even demonized her race, her sex and her age-individually and in combination-I *can* understand the inclination.
Yet, at times, her story, which otherwise would be a personal triumph of perseverance and accomplishment becomes a seeming morass of bitterness and anger, at times of cruelty and pettiness.
I don't recommend one pass on this story, but caution that the art school aspect that might attract one to the book is more in the way of a literature device used to carry the real story forward. There are things within that might anger some-the racism, both latent and open; the dismissal of, for example, the Italian Renaissance as ' rich white people's art' and not the seminal HUMAN moment of history that it was.
As an OLD. WHITE. MALE. who has also later in life started to dabble on the (far) fringe of the art world, I understand the art world is heartless and cruel, yet I can understand and accept this as a reality of a heartless and cruel field without the baggages Ms. Painter likes to carry.
I would, ultimately, recommend this story, but only a lukewarm one. There is much to admire, but there is nearly enough darkness cast by the dark clouds within to extinguish the light.
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- Alessandra M. Parachini
- 07-11-18
Excellent if you are an artist
I thoroughly enjoyed and related to Nell as she meandered through the art world, artists and art itself. It is uplifting to hear someone else going through the same Via Crucis as I have. This book was well worth the listen while I worked at my own art.
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- Carmen
- 08-11-18
Good story, but...
Good story, but title does not indicate the amount of history Painter includes as a history professor. Also included is Painter’s personal account of dealing with aging parents. Seniors will be inspired by her motivation and aspirations to become an accomplished artist despite life’s obstacles.
9 people found this helpful
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- Cate F.
- 01-26-20
Just about perfect for my time of life
Such a pleasure to listen to Nell Painter’s journey, full of her insights and struggles. While my “Old in Art School” experience occurred when I was 30, I am now 74. My life experiences happened in a different order but I recognize well the culture shock of a 20th Century person encountering and trying to understand 21st Century values and esthetics.
Painter describes the artist’s process with a detailed clarity that should be required reading for undergraduate and graduate art students, as well as art history students, curators and collectors.
In particular, I urge mature artists to read this book. It will bring great enjoyment and realization that we are not alone.
7 people found this helpful
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- Zack
- 05-02-20
Who gets to be an artist? Never too old to start.
Strong audiobook with wonderful narration from the author. Painter is eminently interesting, a prominent historian turned "old" student and artist. She focuses mostly on her experience in art school and the challenge of juggling a successful career while striving toward another. I also appreciated her thoughts on navigating the art world as black and woman, caring for aging parents, and pushing through self doubt — who gets to be an artist? what is good enough — on her journey.
5 people found this helpful
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- Susan
- 01-09-19
Not what I had expected!
I found this book divided into three parts: one part political, one part the experience of attaining and education in art, the third part, the experience of being a black person in America.
I am not a progressive/socialist and was not interested in the political leanings of the author and I found myself skipping through the book. If I were not listening but reading instead, I would have missed out on some of the interesting points in order to avoid Ms. Painter’s politics. Since finishing the book, I have looked at her work which I like very much -it’s a shame I cannot say as much for her book.
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- ElizOF
- 08-28-18
Engaging. Honest. Surprising.
Nell brings a lifetime of academic achievement into her exploration of a new path in later life. She writes honestly and openly about the challenges including those that come with family ties. Enjoyed it.
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- lvndrn
- 10-05-18
Good book for artists
While I don't agree with everything she said, it was interesting to hear the experience from her perspective.
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- mcgeordie
- 07-09-18
me, me, me
preachy , self-indulgent, boring, self-congratulatory. Did I mention "self" enough? If you are an old, black, woman, from New Jersey, with a background in acedemia this is just the book for you.
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- ZiggyLuck
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Not at all what I thought it would be!
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- graham smith
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We're all familiar with the works of Claude Monet, thanks in no small part to the ubiquitous reproductions of his water lilies on umbrellas, handbags, scarves, and dorm-room posters. But did you also know Monet and his cohort were trailblazing rebels whose works were originally deemed unbelievably ugly and vulgar? And while you probably know the tale of Vincent van Gogh's suicide, you may not be aware that there's pretty compelling evidence that the artist didn't die by his own hand but was accidentally killed - or even murdered.
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Very odd but I could not stop listening!
- By Walter G. Carlson on 10-05-21
By: Jennifer Dasal
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How to Be an Artist
- By: Jerry Saltz
- Narrated by: Jerry Saltz
- Length: 2 hrs and 20 mins
- Unabridged
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Art has the power to change our lives. For many, becoming an artist is a lifelong dream. But how to make it happen? In How to Be an Artist, Jerry Saltz, one of the art world’s most celebrated and passionate voices, offers an indispensable handbook for creative people of all kinds. From the first sparks of inspiration - and how to pursue them without giving in to self-doubt - Saltz offers invaluable insight into what really matters to emerging artists: originality, persistence, a balance between knowledge and intuition, and that most precious of qualities, self-belief.
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Terrible Book Waste of Money
- By Classic on 04-22-20
By: Jerry Saltz
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Art Is Life
- Icons and Iconoclasts, Visionaries and Vigilantes, and Flashes of Hope in the Night
- By: Jerry Saltz
- Narrated by: Jerry Saltz, Mark Bramhall
- Length: 16 hrs and 1 min
- Unabridged
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Jerry Saltz is one of our most-watched writers about art and artists and a passionate champion of the importance of art in our shared cultural life. Since the 1990s he has been an indispensable cultural voice: Witty and provocative, he has attracted contemporary listeners to fine art as few critics have.
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WRONG for audio program
- By Karen Lehrer on 11-07-22
By: Jerry Saltz
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Picasso's War
- How Modern Art Came to America
- By: Hugh Eakin
- Narrated by: Mack Sanderson
- Length: 15 hrs and 11 mins
- Unabridged
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In January 1939, Pablo Picasso was renowned in Europe but disdained by many in the United States. One year later, Americans across the country were clamoring to see his art. How did the controversial leader of the Paris avant-garde break through to the heart of American culture? The answer begins a generation earlier, when a renegade Irish American lawyer named John Quinn set out to build the greatest collection of Picassos in existence. His dream of a museum to house them died with him, until it was rediscovered by Alfred H. Barr, Jr.
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This Book is a Masterpiece
- By John David on 08-16-22
By: Hugh Eakin
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The Rogue Artist's Survival Guide
- The Rogue Artist Series
- By: Rafi Perez
- Narrated by: Rafi Perez
- Length: 6 hrs and 9 mins
- Unabridged
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The Rogue Artist's Survival Guide is an undisciplined, story-centric, offbeat, and honest approach to demystify what it takes to become a full-time artist. It is designed to help you navigate the clusterfudge that is the art world. A decade ago, there was no guidebook to lead me away from the overcrowded and overly pompous art market toward success.
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BIG THUMBS UP!!
- By Remi Huyen on 02-02-21
By: Rafi Perez
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Make Your Art No Matter What
- Moving Beyond Creative Hurdles
- By: Beth Pickens
- Narrated by: Beth Pickens
- Length: 5 hrs and 31 mins
- Unabridged
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If you are an artist, you need to make your art. That's not an overstatement - it's a fact; if you stop doing your creative work, your quality of life is diminished. But what do you do when life gets in the way? In this down-to-earth handbook, experienced artist coach Beth Pickens offers practical advice for developing a lasting and meaningful artistic practice in the face of life's inevitable obstacles and distractions. This thoughtful volume suggests creative ways to address the challenges all artists must overcome.
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Omg is it preachy
- By Amazon Customer on 02-17-22
By: Beth Pickens
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ArtCurious
- Stories of the Unexpected, Slightly Odd, and Strangely Wonderful in Art History
- By: Jennifer Dasal
- Narrated by: Jennifer Dasal
- Length: 9 hrs and 48 mins
- Unabridged
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Overall
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Performance
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Story
We're all familiar with the works of Claude Monet, thanks in no small part to the ubiquitous reproductions of his water lilies on umbrellas, handbags, scarves, and dorm-room posters. But did you also know Monet and his cohort were trailblazing rebels whose works were originally deemed unbelievably ugly and vulgar? And while you probably know the tale of Vincent van Gogh's suicide, you may not be aware that there's pretty compelling evidence that the artist didn't die by his own hand but was accidentally killed - or even murdered.
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Very odd but I could not stop listening!
- By Walter G. Carlson on 10-05-21
By: Jennifer Dasal
-
How to Be an Artist
- By: Jerry Saltz
- Narrated by: Jerry Saltz
- Length: 2 hrs and 20 mins
- Unabridged
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Overall
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Performance
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Story
Art has the power to change our lives. For many, becoming an artist is a lifelong dream. But how to make it happen? In How to Be an Artist, Jerry Saltz, one of the art world’s most celebrated and passionate voices, offers an indispensable handbook for creative people of all kinds. From the first sparks of inspiration - and how to pursue them without giving in to self-doubt - Saltz offers invaluable insight into what really matters to emerging artists: originality, persistence, a balance between knowledge and intuition, and that most precious of qualities, self-belief.
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Terrible Book Waste of Money
- By Classic on 04-22-20
By: Jerry Saltz
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Art Is Life
- Icons and Iconoclasts, Visionaries and Vigilantes, and Flashes of Hope in the Night
- By: Jerry Saltz
- Narrated by: Jerry Saltz, Mark Bramhall
- Length: 16 hrs and 1 min
- Unabridged
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Overall
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Performance
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Story
Jerry Saltz is one of our most-watched writers about art and artists and a passionate champion of the importance of art in our shared cultural life. Since the 1990s he has been an indispensable cultural voice: Witty and provocative, he has attracted contemporary listeners to fine art as few critics have.
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WRONG for audio program
- By Karen Lehrer on 11-07-22
By: Jerry Saltz
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Picasso's War
- How Modern Art Came to America
- By: Hugh Eakin
- Narrated by: Mack Sanderson
- Length: 15 hrs and 11 mins
- Unabridged
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Overall
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Performance
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Story
In January 1939, Pablo Picasso was renowned in Europe but disdained by many in the United States. One year later, Americans across the country were clamoring to see his art. How did the controversial leader of the Paris avant-garde break through to the heart of American culture? The answer begins a generation earlier, when a renegade Irish American lawyer named John Quinn set out to build the greatest collection of Picassos in existence. His dream of a museum to house them died with him, until it was rediscovered by Alfred H. Barr, Jr.
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This Book is a Masterpiece
- By John David on 08-16-22
By: Hugh Eakin
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The Rogue Artist's Survival Guide
- The Rogue Artist Series
- By: Rafi Perez
- Narrated by: Rafi Perez
- Length: 6 hrs and 9 mins
- Unabridged
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Overall
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Performance
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Story
The Rogue Artist's Survival Guide is an undisciplined, story-centric, offbeat, and honest approach to demystify what it takes to become a full-time artist. It is designed to help you navigate the clusterfudge that is the art world. A decade ago, there was no guidebook to lead me away from the overcrowded and overly pompous art market toward success.
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BIG THUMBS UP!!
- By Remi Huyen on 02-02-21
By: Rafi Perez
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Portrait of an Artist
- A Biography of Georgia O’Keeffe
- By: Laurie Lisle
- Narrated by: Grace Conlin
- Length: 13 hrs and 38 mins
- Unabridged
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Georgia O'Keeffe, one of the most original painters America has ever produced, left behind a remarkable legacy when she died at the age of 98. Her vivid visual vocabulary, sensuous flowers, bleached bones against red sky and earth, had a stunning, profound, and lasting influence on American art in this century.
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Superb biography and reader
- By Tony on 04-15-07
By: Laurie Lisle
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The History of White People
- By: Nell Irvin Painter
- Narrated by: Allyson Johnson
- Length: 14 hrs and 9 mins
- Unabridged
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A mind-expanding and myth-destroying exploration of notions of white race—not merely a skin color but also a signal of power, prestige, and beauty to be withheld and granted selectively. Ever since the Enlightenment, race theory and its inevitable partner, racism, have followed a crooked road, constructed by dominant peoples to justify their domination of others. Filling a huge gap in historical literature that long focused on the non-white, eminent historian Nell Irvin Painter guides us through more than two thousand years of Western civilization, tracing not only the invention of the idea of race but also the frequent worship of “whiteness” for economic, social, scientific, and political ends.
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Destroys the myth that race is about skin color
- By Emily L. on 08-25-14
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Art Matters
- Because Your Imagination Can Change the World
- By: Neil Gaiman, Chris Riddell - illustrator
- Narrated by: Neil Gaiman
- Length: 49 mins
- Unabridged
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A stunning and timely creative call-to-arms combining four extraordinary written pieces by Neil Gaiman. Drawn from Gaiman’s trove of published speeches, poems, and creative manifestos, Art Matters is an embodiment of this remarkable multimedia artist’s vision - an exploration of how reading, imagining, and creating can transform the world and our lives.