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An exploration of art, money, and meaning — from Twain’s hustle to the Beatles’ breakup, Nashville bars to AI-generated songs. Mike and Doug wrestle with the paradox of creating for love versus chasing success, and what it means to keep the soul in the work

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Mike and Doug dive into Mark Twain and Beatles deep cuts, swap stories about their own songwriting, and laugh about Care Bear hats at a Darius Rucker show. The talk drifts into authenticity, slowing down creatively, and Doug’s raw reflections on health, ego, and the fear of being “phony.”

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Mike and Doug catch up after their Idaho trip and reflect on the stories we tell ourselves. Doug shares an experience in his yard where a snake encounter turned suddenly when his dog Ozzy bit it in half. The moment sparked reflection on presence, seriousness, and experiencing life as a waking dream.

They also talk about:

• Valley folk vs. mountain folk, and local identity.
• The confusion between names like Kurt and Kirk.
• How Mormon upbringing emphasized weight and meaning in everything, and how that carries into life after leaving.
• Political divisions, “wokeness,” and the challenge of extending grace across differences.
• Everyday neuroses, from airplane food smells to worries about being judged.
• Music updates, including Austin Nights and Holy Smokes.