Kill All Normies

By: Angela Nagle

Narrated by: Mary Sarah

Length: 4 hrs and 5 mins

Publisher's Summary

Recent years have seen a revival of the heated culture wars of the 1990s, but this time its battleground is the Internet. On one side the alt-right ranges from the once obscure neo-reactionary and white separatist movements, to geeky subcultures like 4chan, to more mainstream manifestations such as the Trump-supporting gay libertarian Milo Yiannopolous.

On the other side, a culture of struggle sessions and virtue signaling lurks behind a therapeutic language of trigger warnings and safe spaces. The feminist side of the online culture wars has its equally geeky subcultures right through to its mainstream expression.

Kill All Normies explores some of the cultural genealogies and past parallels of these styles and subcultures, drawing from transgressive styles of 60s libertinism and conservative movements, to make the case for a rejection of the perpetual cultural turn.

©2017 Angela Nagle (P)2017 Tantor

Some false equivalences, but otherwise great analysis

It comes off as trying to say the sensitive tumblr crowd is somehow the left’s alt-right, but it’s hard to compare people who just get butthurt easy to those who lionize a mass shooter and are openly Nazi in a lot of cases. Also it seems like the author doesn’t think TERFs are a thing, but it only takes about 10 minutes on twitter to see that they are and they’re active. Lastly, anarchists aren’t progressives. They’re in their own category. Berkeley riots had nothing to do with progressivism. Progressives are too scared to actually meet anyone in the streets lol

4 of 4 people found this review helpful

Best book I’ve read this year!!!

A fantastic but harrowing overview of the shitty ways the online cultures that are basically the reason I don’t go on social media any more have shaped the divide we have today.

2 of 2 people found this review helpful

Nuanced and Even-handed, But Still Lacking

A well written and surprisingly deep summary of the culture wars' evolution over the last 20 years. Still, I can't help but feel like the author misses the point at times.

The look into the Right's even harder right-turn was interesting and, from an outsider's perspective, very accurate. But the inaccuracies and distorted presentations of some (certainly not all) of the Left's counter culture participants makes me question how well she represents the Right as well.

Like others, I was startled to hear the author seemingly gloss over the existence of TERFs, which have been active in feminism since the Second Wave and are not by any means a myth or minor issue. Germaine Greer, mentioned by name and a pioneer of the Second Wave, is a notorious anti-trans bigot whose hateful language is readily accessible to anyone with a computer, and the author's dismissal of her criticizers as somehow reactionary or frivolous is baffling, not to mention the implication that the liberal community criticizes her for views she held 20 or 30 years ago - Greer's most recent (honestly, really vile) comments against the idea of trans women being women were made in 2018! Yet the book suggests that to label her a Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist is to hurl invective or insults without merit. To be entirely honest, it makes me wonder what the author's own views on transgenderism are, and whether they color her perspective on the validity of the Left's position.

The book raises several issues vital to the survival of the Left as a political ideology, which I do not dispute. Fascism is indeed in the rise among both the Left and Right, and it's important to the future of humanity as a whole to fight fascism wherever it spreads. However, the book also draws a common false equivalency, suggesting that neo-nazis and anti-fascists (people who are invested in preventing neo-nazism from spreading) are somehow two sides of the same coin. Also, to my point above, I would argue TERFs and other exclusionary/separatist leftists are the main problem we on the Left should be fighting, not college students refusing to listen to Milo Yannopolis. Censorship is an important issue, but so is contributing to a culture where Trans women are murdered with such regularity that there is an annual day set aside to remember them.

All in all, I think this was a valuable read, but one to be considered with a very critical eye.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful

distribution, eye-opening

This book illuminates the giant bottomless pit of online horror on the Left and Right

1 of 1 people found this review helpful

I as a leftist admire this criticism of leftism

A great and rigorous analysis of current trends, an intellectually honest critique of the identetarian segments of the modern left. Truly worth your time.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful

Glad I'm not under 35

When it was over, I realized I was getting the urge to run a warm bath and slit my wrists -- then I remembered I was an old woman and, for the first time, was thankful for that.

4 of 6 people found this review helpful

Trenchant, informed, witty, relevant

So much non-fiction is so disappointing. Nagle shows how to do it right. It’s packed with what E.B. White called “the simple eloquence of facts.” Nagle connects the dots between a multitude of online phenomena to present context for Our Present Condition. Sarah’s performance does justice to the power of the insights.

Non-biased view of content

I went into this book, a little skeptical. I figured from a writer who is on the left I would get left bias. I was very happy to have an honest overview of these new political and ideological sub groups that festered online and in the universities over the last decade and a half.
Who knows if in the great span of history anyone will remember the alt right or the social justice warriors.
But as a fan of sub cultures and their timelines , I found this book was fantastic!
It’s really very good. I was a bit biased myself assuming that the alt-right was really not that big of a deal and just a bunch of idiots online.
And for the most part that is true but there was so much I didn’t know about the history of these online spaces at 4chan and the various subreddits and tumblr and the blogosphere (for the SJW side) that make up this loose but idiotic and occasionally despicable web!!
Thank you Nagle. You really made me look at some of my own assumptions about men and women and the Internet. Thank you.

Weak understanding of internet culture.

Gabriella Coleman's book is a reference on anonymous. This book lacks a basic understanding of internet culture.
The non-internet based arguments are okay-ish.

A good overview of the internet’s underbelly

Well researched and presented a lot of good information on some of the lesser known parts of internet culture that have had an impact on the shape of politics and society in the past few years. I learned some new stuff, but would have liked to go a little more in depth. I would definitely recommend for anyone who is looking to get an introduction to the movements that have burst onto the Left and Right, wrecking havoc on both sides. Great analysis by the author as well.

Excellent summary

A well researched and enjoyably presented look into the sources of the alt right. Looking forward to listening through a second time to pick up on things that I might have missed first time around.

3 of 3 people found this review helpful

Worst narration ever

I’m only 30mins in but I might have to give the book back for refund.
It’s the worst narration I’ve ever heard.
It’s clear that she’s never seen the script before reading it aloud and it’s actually following it.
She stumbles over words, has strange intonation, stresses words in a way that runs counter to the sense of what she’s reading, mispronounces words and there are bits where you can hear that she’s had to record that individual word again because she is struggling with it.

As a result it’s incredibly hard to follow the thrust of the book as the author intended.

It’s SHOCKINGLY bad and very jarring.

4 of 5 people found this review helpful

Very interesting

Found this a fascinating insight into an area I don't really understand and feel I can no longer ignore.
Also narrator's style and cadence really suited the content.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful

Objective, scholarly, accessible

In my opinion this book provides the serious and lucid analysis which this subject had been missing. Not a hysterical diatribe or ideological polemic but a thoughtful reaction with scrupulous regard for the facts. Thought provoking

An antidote to political schism

An attempt to crawl from the depressing sludge which is consuming us all. A book to be cited.