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Experience Matters with Steve Shapiro

Experience Matters with Steve Shapiro

By: Steve Shapiro
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If you ask someone about the most powerful learning experience of their youth, few people will mention a lecture, a textbook reading, or a test. Nearly all will identify an EXPERIENCE; that is because experiential learning is the most profound and lasting form of learning. So if experience matters, how do we offer it to students in our schools? This podcast invites folks to share the learning experience that most deeply impacted their lives, and each episode includes provocations about how we can bring those types of experiences into the mainstream of American schools. Experience Matters is about harnessing the power of experiential learning to transform public education© 2026 Experience Matters with Steve Shapiro
Episodes
  • Episode 22- Exquisite Compassion with Father Greg Boyle
    Oct 8 2023

    Exquisite Compassion with Father Greg Boyle

    Father Greg Boyle has spent most of his adult years helping transform the lives of former gang members at Homeboy Industries in Los Angeles. In this conversation he applies his many lessons learned to how we can increase joy and reduce loneliness in schools through kinship, mercy, and meaning.


    We cover a lot of territory, including:

    2:21 Greg’s childhood on Norton Avenue

    4:23 How Bolivia turned Greg inside out

    9:00 How Homeboy Industries came to be

    12:26 Building a powerful culture

    16:50 A powerful message from a Homie to teachers

    19:02 The cultural problem in American schools (the power of relationships)

    21:23 The powerful story of Lencho and true belonging

    25:30 Exquisite compassion and merciful community

    30:09 How Father Greg’s school addressed the most difficult students

    31:02 Steve seeks counsel on the youth mental health crisis

    33:13 The recipe for sadness and the recipe for joy and wholeness

    36:57 How schools are rising to meet the challenge

    40:06 Father Greg tells a story you won’t want to miss



    Learn more about Father Greg and Homeboy Industries

    Homeboy Industries’ powerful 30-year anniversary short video

    Father Greg’s commencement address at Pepperdine University

    Mike Wallace’s 1992 60 Minutes story on Father Greg





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    45 mins
  • Episode 21- Liberate! with Dr. Michelle Sadrena Pledger
    May 28 2023

    Michelle Pledger confronted the internalized oppression from her experiences as a Black girl in a predominately white school; then she converted her newfound wisdom into a commitment to promote culturally relevant teaching practices that honor and support the lived experiences of all students. Her story is essential listening for anyone committed to true equity in schools.

    We cover a lot territory, including:

    4:00 Black in a White school

    7:42 Michelle’s awakening

    10:58 The personal cost of assimilation

    15:05 Michelle’s challenge to you

    18:08 Personal filters and blind spots

    19:50 Decolonizing our schools

    21:43 Liberating the curriculum

    24:16 The startling impact of non-representation

    26:44 Individualistic vs. collectivist cultures

    29:48 Liberating classroom communication

    35:20 Deficit thinking: our subconscious biases about intelligence

    39:31 Ability grouping’s harmful effects

    43:11 What’s stopping us from being culturally responsive?

    48:35 Michelle’s call to action

    Michelle Pledger’s personal website

    Michelle’s about page at the High Tech High Graduate School of Education

    Purchase Liberate! Pocket-Sized Paradigms for Liberatory Learning

    About Experience Matters

    Experience Matters with Steve Shapiro invites guests to reflect on the most profound learning experiences of their youth and to consider how we can reform American schools. Each episode provides clues about how parents and educators alike can engage young people in powerful, sometimes transformational experiential learning. Education can take many forms, but whatever form it takes- experience matters.

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    53 mins
  • Episode 20- The Power of Voice with Russ Quaglia
    May 18 2023

    Humans, young and old, share a basic need to have some authorship in our own lives. Dr. Russell Quaglia has built his entire career around how to bring students’ voices into focus in classrooms and schools across the world. The result is happier students who learn more.

    We cover a lot of territory, including:

    2:55 The difference between hockey and school

    7:40 Our basic human need

    8:50 Russ’s definition of voice

    11:21 The (often missing) factor needed for voice to thrive

    14:50 Why surveys often fail (or worse)

    17:30 Can kids really know what’s best for them?

    22:24 The students we often overlook

    26:24 A sense of belonging

    28:25 The link between voice and learning

    30:25 The link between voice and democratic citizenship

    31:57 What’s stopping us?

    33:49 Reflect on our purpose and renew our passion

    Link to the Quaglia Institute for Voice and Aspirations

    Link to Steve’s short video reflecting on what has really mattered in his career


    About Experience Matters

    Experience Matters with Steve Shapiro invites guests to reflect on the most profound learning experiences of their youth and to consider how we can reform American schools. Each episode provides clues about how parents and educators alike can engage young people in powerful, sometimes transformational experiential learning. Education can take many forms, but whatever form it takes- experience matters.



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    39 mins
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