What does it take to lead a destination in today’s tourism landscape?

In this episode of Business Class, Stephen sits down with Dan Williams, President & CEO of the Greater Birmingham Convention & Visitors Bureau, for a conversation that goes far beyond marketing and metrics.

Dan shares his journey from Cleveland to Columbus to Birmingham—and how a shift in perspective during COVID transformed his leadership style from performance-driven to people-centered. Today, he leads with empathy, prioritizing trust, communication, and his team's well-being.

They explore:

• Why trust is the most important word for community alignment
• How Birmingham is redefining itself beyond outdated perceptions
• What empathetic leadership looks like in practice
• Why tourism should be fun, human, and deeply connected to community
• And the advice Dan would give his younger self: “You belong in every room.”

This is a conversation about leadership, culture, and the power of seeing people—not just performance.

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In this episode of the Business Class podcast, Stephen Ekstrom sits down with Kara Franker, President and CEO of Visit Florida Keys & Key West, for a wide-ranging conversation about leadership, transformation, and the evolving role of destination organizations.

Kara’s path into tourism is anything but traditional. After beginning her career as a criminal prosecutor in Miami, she transitioned into destination leadership—eventually taking on one of the most recognizable tourism brands in the world. When she arrived in the Florida Keys, she discovered an organization that hadn’t evolved with the times and a community asking hard questions about tourism’s role in their future.

What followed has been a massive transformation.

Kara shares how her team is rebuilding trust, modernizing operations, and introducing the concept of destination stewardship to a community long focused solely on growth. She also explores the importance of attracting “values visitors”—travelers who care about the places they visit and the communities that call them home.

The conversation also dives into:

• Why the future of tourism leadership requires transparency and over-communication
• How DMOs are shifting from marketing machines to trusted advisors for local businesses
• Why AI will fundamentally change the way destinations support small tourism operators
• How technology, data, and education will reshape tourism marketing and measurement

Along the way, Kara shares personal reflections on leadership, empathy, spirituality, and the human side of hospitality—reminding us that the heart of tourism has always been about people.

For anyone curious about where destination leadership is headed next, this episode offers a candid look at how one iconic destination is reinventing itself.

Business Class is brought to you by Learn Tourism, the nonprofit academy - harnessing the power of science, business psychology and adult education to advance the tourism industry and build sustainable economies. Learn how to engage your community, win over stakeholders and get more visitors at learntourism.org.

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Joanne Wolnik, Executive Director of Southwest Ontario Tourism, joins Stephen Ekstrom on Business Class to explore how small-place pride, thoughtful stewardship, and hands-on experiences can transform tourism into a force for local good. Joanne shares her journey from outdoor-recreation student to destination leader (and part-time horse-farm owner), and explains why “your ordinary is somebody else’s extraordinary.”
Listen for practical examples—farm-to-table experiences, artisan woodworkers, and community hosts—that help visitors learn, belong, and take home something that changes their daily lives. Joanne also walks through what stewardship really means (benefit the community, protect the environment, and amplify local voices), and offers tactical advice for DMOs wanting to center residents, business partners, and authentic experiences in their tourism strategy.

Produced by Learn Tourism

Business Class is brought to you by Learn Tourism, the nonprofit academy - harnessing the power of science, business psychology and adult education to advance the tourism industry and build sustainable economies. Learn how to engage your community, win over stakeholders and get more visitors at learntourism.org.

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