Dr. Chantelle Thomas talks with psychologist Eric Sienknecht, co-founder of Polaris Insight Center, about the healing synergy of music and psychedelics. They explore sensitivity, attunement, resonance, and the therapeutic possibilities of non-ordinary states, while reflecting on the ethical challenges of music choice in psychedelic therapy. A lyrical, thoughtful conversation on how music can help us remember and reclaim forgotten parts of ourselves.

(00:34) Eric’s Early Work: From trauma with first responders to ketamine psychotherapy
(03:55) The Entropic Brain: How psychedelics suspend predictive models of the mind
(10:37) Nonlinear Healing: Reclaiming forgotten parts of self through music and psychedelics
(19:35) Harmonizing with Clients: How resonance creates safety and depth in sessions
(24:42) Aesthetic Chills: Goosebumps, flow states, and embodied resonance
(36:07) Playlists vs. Live Selection: Approaches to music in therapeutic settings
(50:15) Eric’s Connection to Music: Early psychedelic experiences and the power of listening

Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/

Integrata: www.integratahealing.com

Dr. Chantelle Thomas speaks with Jayne Gumpel about her journey into psychedelic therapy and her work leading ketamine-assisted retreats. They explore the power of group dynamics, the importance of integration, and how ketamine enhances mindfulness and healing. Jayne shares her innovative approach to creating spaces for connection, joy, and personal growth.

(00:07) Introduction to Jayne Gumpel and Her Work
(11:39) Retreats for Healing: Philosophy and Structure
(20:31) Group Dynamics and Connection in Retreats
(32:01) Challenges of Post-Retreat Integration
(49:08) Ketamine and Mindfulness in Therapy
(1:17:27) Couples Therapy with Psychedelics

Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/

Integrata: www.integratahealing.com

Cultivating the Joy of Intimacy & Communication: A Ketamine-Assisted Retreat for Couples: https://www.relationshipresources.info/retreats/april-2025

‘Cultivating Joy’ Emerging Leaders Program: https://www.relationshipresources.info/emergingleaders

Cultivating Joy | Finding Beauty in Loss and Grief: A Ketamine-Assisted Retreat: https://www.relationshipresources.info/retreats/cultivating-joy-finding-beauty-in-loss-and-grief-a-ketamine-assisted-retreat-june-2025

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Dr. Chantelle Thomas and Dr. Evan Sola discuss the implications of the FDA's decision not to approve MDMA for PTSD treatment, emphasizing the nuances of the MDMA-assisted therapy model. They highlight ongoing clinical trials, including those at the Portland VA and UCLA, and the importance of accurate public and therapist education. Dr. Sola shares his experience with severe PTSD patients and the relational aspects of therapy, stressing the need for humility and supervision. They address misconceptions about the model, advocating for a non-pathologizing, participant-led approach that values the therapist's role in validating and supporting the client's process.

(0:00:33) Introduction

(0:07:30) Evan Sola and His Work

(0:18:13) Discussion on Public Perception and Therapist Education

(0:29:37) Challenges and Misrepresentations of the MDMA-Assisted Therapy Model

(1:11:45) The Importance of Relationality and Organicity in Therapy

Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/

Frontier article:

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1427531/full

Integrata: www.integratahealing.com

Evan Sola, PSYD: https://www.evansolapsyd.com/

Lykos: https://lykospbc.com