Dr. Chantelle Thomas speaks with Jayne Gumpel about her journey into psychedelic therapy and her work leading ketamine-assisted retreats. They explore the power of group dynamics, the importance of integration, and how ketamine enhances mindfulness and healing. Jayne shares her innovative approach to creating spaces for connection, joy, and personal growth.

(00:07) Introduction to Jayne Gumpel and Her Work
(11:39) Retreats for Healing: Philosophy and Structure
(20:31) Group Dynamics and Connection in Retreats
(32:01) Challenges of Post-Retreat Integration
(49:08) Ketamine and Mindfulness in Therapy
(1:17:27) Couples Therapy with Psychedelics

Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/

Integrata: www.integratahealing.com

Cultivating the Joy of Intimacy & Communication: A Ketamine-Assisted Retreat for Couples: https://www.relationshipresources.info/retreats/april-2025

‘Cultivating Joy’ Emerging Leaders Program: https://www.relationshipresources.info/emergingleaders

Cultivating Joy | Finding Beauty in Loss and Grief: A Ketamine-Assisted Retreat: https://www.relationshipresources.info/retreats/cultivating-joy-finding-beauty-in-loss-and-grief-a-ketamine-assisted-retreat-june-2025

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Dr. Chantelle Thomas and Dr. Evan Sola discuss the implications of the FDA's decision not to approve MDMA for PTSD treatment, emphasizing the nuances of the MDMA-assisted therapy model. They highlight ongoing clinical trials, including those at the Portland VA and UCLA, and the importance of accurate public and therapist education. Dr. Sola shares his experience with severe PTSD patients and the relational aspects of therapy, stressing the need for humility and supervision. They address misconceptions about the model, advocating for a non-pathologizing, participant-led approach that values the therapist's role in validating and supporting the client's process.

(0:00:33) Introduction

(0:07:30) Evan Sola and His Work

(0:18:13) Discussion on Public Perception and Therapist Education

(0:29:37) Challenges and Misrepresentations of the MDMA-Assisted Therapy Model

(1:11:45) The Importance of Relationality and Organicity in Therapy

Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/

Frontier article:

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1427531/full

Integrata: www.integratahealing.com

Evan Sola, PSYD: https://www.evansolapsyd.com/

Lykos: https://lykospbc.com

Dr. Chantelle Thomas chats with Ronica Mukerjee, DNP, MsA, FNP-BC, PMHNP-BC, LAc, a family and psychiatric nurse practitioner and acupuncturist, discusses her multifaceted work, including holistic psychiatry, gender-affirming care, and psychedelic-assisted treatment. She highlights her work with refugees, particularly Haitians, and her efforts to establish a free trans care program. Ronica shares her experiences in Tijuana during COVID-19, providing medical care in a chaotic environment. She emphasizes the need for inclusive, culturally sensitive approaches to mental health and psychedelic therapy, particularly for marginalized communities. Ronica is also developing educational resources to make psychedelic work accessible to a broader audience.

(0:00:34) Introduction

(0:03:14) Work in Mexico and Refugee Health

(0:09:45) Challenges and Experiences in Tijuana

(0:25:16) Psychedelic-Assisted Treatment and Its Impact

(0:47:41) Challenges in Psychedelic Research and Access

(0:49:39) The Role of Psychedelics in Mental Health

(0:50:05) The Future of Psychedelic Therapy and Research

Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/

Integrata: www.integratahealing.com

Ronica Mukerjee, DNP, MsA, FNP-BC, PMHNP-BC, LAc, Assistant Professor of Nursing at CUMC: https://www.nursing.columbia.edu/profile/ronica-mukerjee-dnp

Lykos: https://lykospbc.com