Frog and Toad Do Ketamine

Dr. Chantelle Thomas sits down with longtime friend Andrew Isham to explore his first ketamine-assisted psychotherapy intensive at Integrata. Together, they unpack the preparation, the unusual choice to share the journey with a close friend, and how the medicine compared to Andrew’s past experiences with psilocybin and meditation. The conversation moves from levity and curiosity to profound realizations about agency, intimacy, and embodiment, offering listeners a rare inside view of what ketamine therapy can reveal.

(00:33) Setting the Stage — Andrew shares why he chose ketamine therapy.
(06:16) A Joint Session — Doing the intensive with a close friend.
(12:00) First Ketamine Session — Comparing psilocybin and ketamine.
(22:41) Floating Above the Valley — Observing humanity with warmth and distance.
(34:50) Meditation and Familiarity — How meditation shaped the journey.
(50:19) Somatic Exploration — Pleasure, hope, and the “bulldozer.”
(56:39) Second Ketamine Session — Clarity, cosmic rhythm, and intimacy as stuckness.

Dr. Chantelle Thomas, Executive Clinical Director Windrose Recovery: https://windroserecovery.com/

Integrata: www.integratahealing.com