Beyond the Phoenix Project

The Origins and Evolution of DevOps
Narrated by: Gene Kim, John Willis
Length: 7 hrs and 33 mins
Categories: Business, Career Skills
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Gene Kim and John Willis present this nine-part series that includes an oral history of the DevOps movement, as well as discussion around pivotal figures and philosophies that DevOps draws upon, from Goldratt to Deming; from Lean to Safety Culture to Learning Organizations.The audiobook is a great way for listeners to take an even deeper dive into topics relevant to DevOps and leading technology organizations.

©2018 Gene Kim and John Willis (P)2018 Gene Kim and John Willis

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From Darwin to DevOps

Thanks to Gene Kim and John Willis for the excellent overview "From Darwin to DevOps"! Just finished my first listen. Now to read the mountain of wonderful references I haven't read yet. Sign of a great book is one that leads to your next book... or twenty

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Must Listen !!!

I enjoyed The Phoenix Project - I LOVED Beyond The Phoenix - this changed how I work ! Thank you to Gene Kim & John Willis for your commitment and dedication for giving people the tools to achieve great work!

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Should be Required Listening for all IT Pros

Would you recommend this audiobook to a friend? If so, why?

I have recommended this audiobook to everyone I know in the IT business. It provides the intellectual underpinnings for the maturation of IT from craft to industrial strength quality and cost effectiveness - a major constraint on the world's economy and the welfare of all humankind.

Who was your favorite character and why?

It is hard to answer why any of the great minds that Gene and John talk about is my favorite. I have a bias to those I already know and now want to learn more about those I have learned about in this audio book.

What about Gene Kim and John Willis ’s performance did you like?

Their sharp wit, examples, and metaphors. Kudos to the editors!!!

Was there a moment in the book that particularly moved you?

While this geeky material should not be an emotional topic - I found many of the learnings - especially the roots of behaviors and willingness to change intellectually and motivationally stimulating.

Any additional comments?

As an android user, the Audible version is much easier to navigate than the iTunes version.

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This is a must!

After reading the Goal and the Phoenix project you must listen to this brilliant discussion. You will find yourself in sea of new information and will probably buy yourself more books like i did :)

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starting an IT Revolution

this work serves well to crystalize the resources and thoughts that came together into what is now termed DEVOPS. At least in what the thought leaders intend DEVOPS to be. important work for those in search of deeper understanding.

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Content is okay, but the delivery is...something.

This sounds like 7 hours of one dude who really likes to hear himself talk, and another who actually has some interesting things to say just waiting for the former to stop talking. Would probably be way better with just the latter.
Also, the excessive and overly dramatic Deming-worship makes me uncomfortable.

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Great book, some delivery issues

The book is brilliant. It weaves together so many disciplines and a lot of issue back history creating a very compelling narrative. I learned a lot and will likely listen to it many more times. There were some delivery issues, mainly Gene Kim's voice trailing off or him turning away from the microphone, so I'm really glad I got the transcript as well.

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not really a book, just a conversation better suit

This is a series of conversations between two people. This is not a book. A more accurate description would be a podcast. not worth the price. would return if I could.

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Going Behind the Scenes of The Phoenix Project

I really enjoyed listening to Beyond the Phoenix Project as it really went into the different origins of what went into the original book. It makes me wonder if Gene Kim will do something similar for The Unicorn Project. Listening to the different case studies and experiences they had in the DevOps movement is incredible, and this should be required listening to anyone going into DevOps.

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Terrible

Couldn’t make it through this conversation. The one guys voice is hard to listen to. Sounds like James Woods. I can barely get through one of his movies let alone 7 hours of an office water cooler conversation. The original book, The Phoenix Project, was 5 stars. However this book failed to provide any substance.

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  • Jim
  • 02-10-19

A blog talk about the back ground of Phoenix

Probably my own fault but I thought it was going to be more than two guys talking about Phoenix project book and the books that contributed towards it.

Interesting topics discussed.

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  • Seb
  • 04-24-19

Not what I was expecting

I had not read Beyond the Goal, on which this program was modelled. Will now listen to Goldratt's work. Thank you to Gene and John for making this. Enlightening.

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  • Mark
  • 07-06-18

must read for anyone interested in DevOps

if you like DevOps you'll love this book. if you work in or with IT and are not retiring in next 2-3 years then you should really read this book.

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  • Anonymous User
  • 02-28-20

Not bad but should be a free podcast

This wasn’t bad for a ‘podcast’ but I wouldn’t have called it a book.

It has some interesting content and a great summary and look back at the journey of DevOps.

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  • Mr. Brian Jenkinson
  • 01-23-20

The who is who, and what is what of DevOps

Great insight into the people with vision that contributed to the growing DevOps phenomenon. So many references and ideas to explorer. If you read the Phoenix project read this as to the underlying thought process.

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  • Ross Mitchell
  • 02-17-19

loved the original

loved the original. just didn't feel this one at all. different types of book though.

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  • Allan S Ferguson
  • 12-19-18

Contains some interesting gems but...

Contains some interesting gems but you have to suffer a lot of sycophantic chat to hear them. Overall it felt drawn-out, disjointed and ultimately disappointing. A shame as the Phoenix Project itself is a superb book which I would highly recommend.

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  • Maria
  • 08-21-18

Amazing continuation

After reading The Phoenix Project and The Devops Handbook, I think this is a prefect continuation and it give many references to keep digging into this subject

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  • Kindle Customer
  • 10-17-19

A bit of a let down after The Phoenix Project

Struggled to get through. There wasn't much of a story and I got bored with all the referencing.

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  • Becci
  • 05-19-19

For all DevOps Managers that are Learning

I enjoyed this 7+ hours of banter between the two authors. It was like a string of meetup group recordings or podcasts strung together. A nice rounding of how lean, Deming and safety culture merge in a complimentary way. I got a few recommendations for my next learning.

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  • Systems 157, Inc.
  • 12-04-18

A must listen - do it yesterday!

A must listen to sustaining your future in IT & Business... If you're not learning and doing DevOps today, begin planning your premature retirement tomorrow!