On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene interviews Oliver Lerner, president and co-founder of Shuk Rentals, a property management software platform built specifically for mom-and-pop landlords. Oliver shares how he bought his first rental property while still in college by house hacking a five-bedroom home with friends, and how that early experience shaped the way he approaches both landlording and business today.

Oliver walks through the steep learning curve of managing properties on your own. From plumbing mistakes to expensive HVAC lessons, he explains how those early challenges helped him develop confidence and practical skills. He talks about the importance of buying right, understanding your numbers, and being willing to walk away from deals when they do not make sense.

The conversation also explores the realities of being a small landlord in today's environment. Oliver discusses local regulations, rising fees, and the responsibility that comes with providing housing. He explains why he created Shuk Rentals to bring more transparency and accountability into the rental process, while giving independent landlords better tools to manage leases, communication, and retention. At its core, this episode is about building experience through action and creating systems that support long-term ownership.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How Oliver house hacked his first rental property in college
• Why seeing dozens of homes before buying builds confidence and discipline
• The importance of buying right to protect yourself from costly mistakes
• Lessons learned from self-managing rentals and solving problems firsthand
• Why mom-and-pop landlords play a vital role in the housing market
• How better systems and transparency can improve tenant retention

If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

Connect with Oliver

Website: http://www.shukrentals.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/shukrentals

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shukrentals

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oliverlerner/

Twitter: https://x.com/ShukRentals

Connect with Jonathan:

Website - www.streamlined.properties

YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos

Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene

Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties

Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j

Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene interviews Jay Patel, fund manager at Proptex and a real estate entrepreneur with more than 25 years of experience across residential rehabs, foreclosures, commercial properties, assisted living facilities, and more. Jay shares how a major loss in the stock market after 9/11 shifted his focus permanently toward real estate, where tangible assets, predictable comps, and strategic leverage offered more control and long-term stability.

Jay explains why buying right is everything in real estate, how disciplined underwriting separates professionals from hobby investors, and why leverage—when used properly—can dramatically amplify returns. He also discusses the dangers of overexposure to a single asset type, the importance of diversification even within real estate, and how tax strategy and depreciation play a crucial role in compounding wealth.

The conversation also dives into retirement strategy, the power of consistent double-digit returns, and why preservation of capital becomes more important than chasing "sexy" returns over time. Jay outlines how structured funds can offer diversification, liquidity, and steady income while eliminating the day-to-day burden of property management.

In this episode, you will hear:

• How Jay transitioned from stock trading to full-time real estate after 9/11

• Why foreclosures can be powerful—but only with proper due diligence

• The difference between amateur and professional real estate investing

• How leverage can turn modest appreciation into significant equity growth

• Why diversification within real estate matters just as much as diversification across asset classes

• The role of depreciation and tax strategy in long-term wealth building

• How consistent 10–11% returns can outperform higher-risk strategies over time

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Connect with Jay:

Website: https://proptex.com/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@jaypatelproptex

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/proptexfunds/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaypatel-mls/

Connect with Jonathan:

Website - www.streamlined.properties

YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos

Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene

Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties

Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j

Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.

On this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene interviews Lauren Rogers, investor relations and acquisitions lead at Veritas Equity Partners. Lauren shares how she transitioned from a high-level career in global tech to multifamily real estate and why she chose to partner with an experienced operator instead of starting with small, hands-on deals. Drawing from Veritas' focused strategy in Washington State, she explains how their tight buy box, workforce housing thesis, and in-house property management approach create consistent, risk-adjusted returns.

Lauren and Jonathan explore the realities of value-add investing in Snohomish County, why geographic discipline matters more than chasing hot markets, and how exterior improvements, operational efficiencies, and local relationships can meaningfully impact NOI. They also discuss the mindset shift required to move from active DIY investing to passive syndication, especially for high-income professionals seeking long-term wealth and cash flow.

Listeners will gain insight into how syndications actually work behind the scenes—from underwriting and leverage to investor communication and trust—and why forced holding periods and conservative debt structures can protect capital over time.

In this episode, you will hear:

• Why Lauren left global tech to build a career in multifamily real estate

• How Veritas defines its 20–60 unit workforce housing buy box

• The importance of focusing hyper-locally within Snohomish County

• How in-house property management can improve NOI and operational control

• The difference between active ownership and truly passive syndication investing

• Common fears new investors have about multifamily syndications

Follow and Review

If you enjoy the show, please follow Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing on Apple Podcasts and leave a rating and review. It helps other listeners discover these conversations and supports the show's growth.

Connect with Lauren:

Website: https://veritasequitypartners.com/

Instagram: @lo.rogers17

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenrogersveritas/

Connect with Jonathan:

Website - www.streamlined.properties

YouTube - www.youtube.com/c/JonathanGreeneRE/videos

Instagram - www.instagram.com/trustgreene

Instagram - www.instagram.com/streamlinedproperties

Zillow - www.zillow.com/profile/streamlinen​j

Bigger Pockets - www.biggerpockets.com/users/jonathangreene

Facebook - www.facebook.com/streamlinedproperties

Email - info@streamlined.properties

This episode was produced by Outlier Audio.