When we got the email inviting us to interview journalist Natalie Robehmed about her new CBC + Campsite Media podcast, Allison After NXIVM, we weren’t sure what to do. Talking about Allison Mack — someone who caused very real harm, including to people we’ve had on this show - is complicated.

And honestly? We didn’t want to accidentally platform or sanitize that harm.

But then we listened. And what we found wasn’t a redemption story. It was complexity. It was discomfort. It was a journalist tracing how someone can be both a victim and a perpetrator.

In this conversation, Natalie takes us behind her interviews with Allison: childhood exploitation, Hollywood pressures, the hunger to be “the best,” and the dynamics of NXIVM’s inner circle that turned all of that into something horrifying.

We’re not here to tell you how to feel about Allison Mack.

But we are here to sit in the space where victimhood and violence blur -

the space where a person realizes the monster they were running from is the one they learned to be.

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She survived a violent polygamist cult.

She survived a husband who collected wives like property.

She survived the blood atonement doctrine that stalked her childhood like a shadow.

But this is the part of Pamela Jones’s story where she does the impossible:

she runs.

In this final chapter of our three-part series, Pamela plans an escape nearly as dangerous as the life she’s leaving behind—nine children in tow, no legal paperwork for half of them, almost no money, and the very real fear that leaving could mean death.

This episode isn’t just about leaving a cult.

It’s about rebuilding an identity from scratch.

It’s about motherhood as revolution.

It’s about reclaiming a life she was told she never owned.

And it’s the story of what Pamela built on the other side—freedom, love, a business, and a legacy that’s inspiring other women to walk out of the same darkness she escaped.

Her transformation is staggering.

Her resilience is unforgettable.

Her ending is exactly what she deserved.

Pamela’s memoir, The Dirt Beneath Our Door, is linked in the show notes.

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In Part Two of Pamela Jones’ extraordinary story, the so-called “escape” she dreamed of at fifteen turns into a new kind of prison.

After growing up under the violent rule of the LeBaron brothers — a murderous offshoot of Mormon fundamentalism — Pamela marries young, believing it will be her salvation. Her husband David doesn’t just take her innocence — he takes her freedom, her home, and her dignity. She raises babies on rationed potatoes, lives under the threat of blood atonement, and tries to stay safe inside a community run by fear, hierarchy, and men who call their control “God’s will.”

But years later, and many sister wives later, something in Pamela begins to shift. A spark. A voice. A quiet rebellion forged from decades of silence.

This is the part of her journey where the cracks in the doctrine begin to show… and where Pamela realizes the only person coming to save her is herself.

Next week: the escape — across a border, across a belief system, and into a life she was never meant to reach.

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You can follow Pamela Jones — speaker, author, survivor, and all-around badass — here:

• Her Book: The Dirt Beneath Our Door
• Website
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