In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett talk about parenting styles and discipline strategies with psychologist and homeschool veteran Dr. Melanie Wilson. Dr. Wilson has her own podcast, The Homeschool Sanity Show. She also sells curricula and homeschool tools at Fun to Learn Books.

• (00:00) - Intro with Dr. Melanie Wilson
• (00:47) - Revisiting FlyLady
• (01:50) - Discipline and parenting style in homeschooling and how it has changed
• (10:04) - "Too hard" vs "Too soft" discipline styles
• (14:38) - How to set boundaries in a non-authoritarian way
• (20:38) - Break
• (21:38) - How to setup healthy boundaries?
• (28:45) - How to model behavior for a toddler
• (39:55) - Acknowledging childhood trauma
• (46:34) - Try to relax. Pay attention. Make tweaks.
• (49:54) - Outro

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett talk to Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis the authors of The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families.

Find the book on Amazon

Order directly from Baker

Bookshop book link

Audible link

• Instagram: @mburtwrites | @kelseykmcginnis
• Threads: @mburtwrites | @kelseykmcginnis
• Facebook: @mburtwrites | @kelsey.kramermcginnis
• Bluesky: @mburtwrites | @kkramermcginnis
• TikTok: @mburtwrites | @kelseykmcg
• Substack: @mburtwrites | @kelseykramermcginnis
• YouTube: @mburtwrites
• Website: Marissa

In the Church Library podcast

Links to additional interviews with Marissa and Kelsey

Marissa’s novels: Storybound, Story’s End, A Sliver of Stardust, A Legend of Starfire, and The 12 Dares of Christa

• (00:00) - Introduction with Marissa and Kelsey
• (06:14) - Children are human beings
• (07:16) - How a certain kind of theology can impact parenting
• (19:59) - Break
• (20:58) - Talking about sin
• (36:45) - The myth of instilling a worldview in adults
• (43:13) - Things Christians need to rethink
• (45:53) - Impactful stories
• (53:26) - Evaluating resources
• (54:41) - Check out "The Myth of Good Christian Parenting"
• (56:10) - Outro

In this episode, Susan Wise Bauer and Susanna Jarrett announce the upcoming release of The Story of the World, Volume 1: Ancient Times, 25th Anniversary Expanded Edition!

• Available everywhere February, 2026!
• The audiobook and/or PDF of the main text are available NOW at welltrainedmind.com
• Learn more about the Story of the World Vol 1: 25th Anniversary Expanded Edition HERE

• (00:00) - An announcement!
• (04:14) - What is different?
• (08:27) - More new features!
• (10:25) - The Instructor Guide and Student Book
• (15:29) - We're excited!!!